Brit Hume: Stop Persecuting Me for Trying to Convert Tiger - Tuned In - TIME.com

Part of "personal faith" is exactly that. Your/My personal faith(s) ARE the "one true way," else they wouldn't be your/my personal faiths.

Regards,

M

Part of "personal faith" is exactly that. Your/My personal faith(s) ARE the "one true way," else they wouldn't be your/my personal faiths.

Not at all. My faith is the right way for ME. I do not presume it would be the right way for YOU.

Personal being the key word. Keep it personal. Religion should be like sex. Enjoy it, but keep it private.

I forgot who said it but I read something yesterday about someone saying they rejected any faith that believed Ghandi would go to hell.

including the south park movie?????

ok, maybe that's not a "faith" per se...

I forgot who said it but I read something yesterday about someone saying they rejected any faith that believed Ghandi would go to hell

It wasn't me who said it, but I've said the exact same thing for many years and the realization that Christianity does require that belief was a fairly significant factor in me turning away from the religion I was brought up in - seems less like a faith and more like a country club where we only let "us" in.

Sounds like a wonderful class!

Not at all. My faith is the right way for ME. I do not presume it would be the right way for YOU.

So true, Rainkiss! Why do we insist that God (ANY God) only speaks in one language? Or in one book. Spirituality is NOT group-think! If someone ASKS me I'm happy to tell them what I think and believe, I don't ask if I can talk to them about my faith. I WISH people would wait to be asked!

Me, I figure if the Divine, by whatever name you might choose to use, wanted to be called one name, and worshipped one way, and REALLY cared about it, there's be a lot fewer people bitching about it and more people doing it.

What position does the network take?

They are waiting for the ratings books to come out first.

Missionary only.

This network takes no "positions"; they are "fair and balanced"!

(Boy, I almost got that down with a straight face!!)

];-}

You guys realize that Fox has this on their website but they tittled their story, "Hume's Leap of Faith."

I can't believe it. Their making a hero of him for his.

Hopefully the leap is off of a bridge.

A crazy idea is a crazy idea. It doesnt matter if LOTS of people hold it sacred....it is still crazy.

Otherwise he might consider the words of Jesus:

Going back to your post #8, consider these words of Jesus:

"I am the Way and the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me" John 14:6

Just sayin...

""I am the Way and the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me" John 14:6

Just sayin..."

The koran says just about the same thing, except about mohammed. I'm not impressed.

Go screw yerself! Dude. Seriously, chill.

No, the people that need to chill are people quoting Bible verses as some kind of justification for lording themselves over everybody else and using your news broadcast to single out an individual American for a "come to Jesus" rally.

Pure Bullllshheeet going on in America. Pure Bulllsheet. You know what America needs now? Some Daniel Boones and some Davey Crockitts. Some people who espouse the Constitution and true freedom instead of the slavery and servitude of the Bible!

No, the people that need to chill are people quoting Bible verses as some kind of justification for lording themselves over everybody else and using your news broadcast to single out an individual American for a "come to Jesus" rally. Maybe, but do you think you're doing anything except justifying their sense of persecution when you tell people discussing the matter to go screw themselves? You can criticize the beliefs without being an @!$%#. It's not that hard.

It's better to be a counterpuncher.

Tex, I have but one more to aded,,, I believe it's appropriate....

and this is for Mr. Hume....

¹¹Make it your ambition to lead a quiet life, to mind your own business and to work with your hands, just as we told you, ¹²so that your daily life may win the respect of outsiders and so that you will not be dependent on anybody.

The reason I posted that verse was because before Kathleen quoted Jesus in her post (regarding Christians expecting persecution), she had implied that Christians came up with the "one way" idea; I simply quoted Jesus as saying it first.

If you're going to quote Jesus to support your views, it's only fair others be allowed to as well.

fedupwithliberals

Otherwise he might consider the words of Jesus:

Going back to your post #8, consider these words of Jesus:

"I am the Way and the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me" John 14:6

Just sayin...

actually we don't know what jesus said... in fact he says 3 different times in the NT not to preach to gentiles. at all. which was a common belief among jews at the time.

no eye witnesses wrote anything about jesus. more than likely they are just built up fishing stories about a few different people both real and myth , beliefs that were around before and during the 1st century.

"I am Horus in glory...I am the Lord of Light...I am the victorious one...I am the heir of endless time...I, even I, am he that knoweth the paths of heaven."

Similarities between Jesus & Horus'

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcpa5d.htm

Parallels suggested about the lives
of Jesus & Horus, an Egyptian God

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcpa5.htm

Jesus didn't teach , say , do anything that hadn't been said to be done before his arrival. He is probably an amalgamation of various characters.

The World's Sixteen Crucified Saviors

http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/cv/wscs/index.htm

RESURRECTION OF THE SAVIORS
http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/cv/wscs/wscs24.htm

If you're going to quote Christ...

And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. ⁶But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. ⁷And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. ⁸Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.

and

"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. ²For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

³"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? ⁴How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? ⁵You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.

Once again, Brit - STFU.

Nobody burning through their second marriage needs to be giving advice on forgiveness and redemption...

WHY does Tiger need converting in the first place? Huh? Because he needs to be like other people think he should be? Because others like Brit Hume envy his lifestyle that his money affords him?

You know the Bible-beaters all of whom say they put their trust in God and Jesus should do just that, and shut their fat mouths. You know. God's will and all that crap. If it's all God's will, then God will either let it go on or shut it down, without any help from HOLIER-THAN-THOU Bible-thumpers.

It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven, more than those at work upon ships or houses, or laboring in merchandise or agriculture; it will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses.
-- John Adams, "A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America" (1787-88)

I don't consider Brit Hume a journalist and to be honest, he is about as interesting to watch as paint drying. He has a right to say whatever stupid thing he wants to say, such as converting Tiger, but he should accept any consequences that come with any of those statements he said. It isn't persecution--the opposing side has the same right to call him out on his crap and last time I checked, no one was plotting to kidnap Hume and throw him in with a cagefull of hungry lions.

He(Brit Hume) has that right? Does he really? Does Brit Hume's rights really TRUMP Tiger Wood's rihts, just because Brit Hume has set himself up as an arrogant Holier-than-Thou Bible-beater? I don't think the Constitution would back this up!

You know what I was taught? When you ABUSE your rights, you LOSE those rights!

I would say Tiger Woods then,. has the RIGHT to sue Brit Hume and Fox"News" for slander and liable and invasion of privacy and invasion of the right to the pusuit of life, liberty, and happiness, and should proceed forthwith!! How about that????

What do you think about that Bible-beaters? What do you think that everytime you guys open your big fat mouths and attack other people, we all exercised our right and sued the crap out of you? Huh?

You know what I was taught? When you ABUSE your rights, you LOSE those rights!

And yet here you are, cursing anyone who dares disagree with you, calling names and generally being abusive to those whose views are in opposition to yours.

What do you think about that Bible-beaters? What do you think that everytime you guys open your big fat mouths and attack other people, we all exercised our right and sued the crap out of you? Huh?

I would think that as an American I have the first amendment right to say anything I want, so sue away. If Wanda Sykes can publicly wish for the death of Rush Limbaugh, Brit Hume can certainly discuss his concern for the spiritual well-being of Tiger Woods without fear of being sued.

I'm being abusive? But Brit Hume going on national TV and calling an individual American to Jesus while discussing WHY he thinks Tiger needs to come to Jesus is okay? Hello? Hello???? Hello?????????????????

Then when you Bible-beates get confronted or challeneged, you IMMEDIATELY cry persecution and abuse? Hellooooo?????

This is the same old crap that I keep talking about i"ve seen my whole life here in the South. The ABUSERS, when confronted, the BULLIES when confronted, will twist and spin and try and turn it around on the VICTIM or the victim's friends, who are trying to stand up against the bullys and the thugs.

Absolutly with out fear of being sued... it's well within his right, and he is acting in accordance of his religion.

Yet, Still tasteless. Sorry, it wasn't the time or the place for him to bring up his opinion of Wood's religion.

Like I said, he should have spoken to Tiger in private!

That would be a telephone conversation worth recording.

Hi Tiger you don't know me but I want to tell you why your religion sucks... LOL

". If Wanda Sykes can publicly wish for the death of Rush Limbaugh"

If Rush Limbaugh can, upon the death of Jerry Garcia, call him "just another dead doper....a dirt bag", and if he can say about Kurt Cobain, after HE died, that he was a "worthless shred of human debris", Wanda Sikes can wish for his death.

Please Do Not marginalize my Faith because I don't have a god!!

Look up the Definition of RELIGION,

religion

–noun

1.

a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

2.

a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.

I'm a Buddhist--OK--but point taken...

He's not marginalizing anything, I'd say he was attempting to elevate it above the fray.

Trust me the Secound people start saying it's not a religion well get our status pulled.

I think it takes more than a couple guys on the internet...I mean look at the Scientologists.

(not equating the two, but they have a legion of fellows trying to get them de-stated)

While Buddhism does not have a specific deity, it does not preclude the belief IN a deity. Many people who are Buddhists HAVE a deity; they either have their own idea of one or they believe in other established deities along with their Buddhist beliefs. Many Chinese Buddhists, for example, incorporate the traditional Chinese Gods into their belief system.

Precisely boons. I think if you were to ask most Buddhists (myself included) they will tell you that Buddhism is "compatible" with all religions; so the issue may well be one of semantics.

If Buddhism is a way of living that neither precludes nor requires the belief in a specific deity (or any deity at all), is it, therefore, a religion that is compatible with other religions or simply a philosophy for living (i.e. not necessarily a religion)?

In the end, (IMHO) the truth of a given thing exists independently of whatever name we may choose to call it.

Yes, my Buddhist "church" acknowledges that it is not a religion in the christian sense. Their purpose in calling themselves a "religion, a church" was to attract more westerners to the belief system.

The words are superfluous the ideas and your understanding are what matters.

In Buddhism, tiger has many lessons to learn.

The person above is correct that Buddhism does not require the belief in a god, thank God for that, mine.

And no I won't share her/he/it, you need to find your own. Its better that way, trust me.

And no I won't share her/he/it, you need to find your own. Its better that way, trust me.

It is indeed!

If people followed Buddhist teachings thoroughly, there wouldn't be any crime. Then again, if people followed any other religious thoroughly, there wouldn't be, either. But it is interesting that Buddhists would accomplish the same results without threat of hellfire or without thinking they will reap some reward.

The only one Tiger needs redemption with is his wife.

Hang in there Tiger. You will eventually get a new sponsor....Polident.

Martyr complex.

Me, I see it as a slap in the face to people who actually ARE being persecuted (and in some cases, dying) for their own faiths.

Me, I see it as a slap in the face to people who actually ARE being persecuted (and in some cases, dying) for their own faiths.

It'd be hilarious to watch Hume really go all-out and pull a Hoekstra.

I agree Rainkiss. I mean, my grandparents died in Auschwitz. People like them were persecuted. This guy only has people who dare to disagree with him.

Exactly, Javabean.

Quit trying to censor me. You know what Brit Hume did was totally beyond the pale and out of bounds. Now don't try to silence me on calling him out. If Brit Hume has the right to go on national TV and have a come to Jesus meeting for Tiger Woods, I have the right to speak my mind here on this forum!

If Brit Hume has the right to go on national TV and have a come to Jesus meeting for Tiger Woods, I have the right to speak my mind here on this forum!

That's not precisely true. Scott can delete you at any time for being rude and insulting, and the First Amendment has no say on Newsvine.

I think Hume is a pompous douchebag, and while I'm generally agree with the thrust of your "Bible-beaters" rant, I don't see it serving anything remotely resembling a constructive purpose.

And just what would be a "constructive" way of dealing with bullies and thugs who use the Bible as justification for their bullying, thugging, and brow-beating. Just what is a "constructive" way of people defending themselves from religious zealots? You can quote the Constitution, but when it comes down to where the rubber meets the road, that doesn't matter. You know what matters???? You have to be just as nasty, and offensive, and belligerent and arrogant as they are.

But I'll wait for a rebuttal and maybe a better way of dealing with these folks. However, telling me just let them have their way and be quiet is an unacceptable response.

Just what is a "constructive" way of people defending themselves from religious zealots?

Lowering yourself to their level of discourse certainly doesn't work, because Americans typically have at least a bit of knee-jerk solidarity with anyone who mentions "God."

You know what matters???? You have to be just as nasty, and offensive, and belligerent and arrogant as they are.

Then feel free to go on national TV and tell [insert famous Christian] to go shove it. Better yet, when criticizing, say, the guy who killed Dr. Tiller, the best form of rebuttal is naturally to stomp around waving a revolver and cap a Christian fundamentalist.

I'm sure that'll get you places.

However, telling me just let them have their way and be quiet is an unacceptable response.

Hahahaha, Scott can tell you that I'm the last person to suggest "let them have their way and be quiet" as an optimal solution to disagreement. However, there are varying degrees of, umm, "passion."

You have to be just as nasty, and offensive, and belligerent and arrogant as they are.

Just curious, but who on this post has been so "nasty, offensive, belligerent and arrogant"? Most of the people posting disagree with Hume's actions, and the rest have been (in my opinion) fairly respectful of others' opinions.

This forum is a place for people from all walks of life, whose experiences, views and beliefs cover the spectrum. Most of us come here not to simply find those with whom we agree, but to debate and discuss issues in a rational, adult manner with those whose views differ from our own.

servous-as an agnostic, and after much reading and critical thinking, leaning towards atheism, I can understand your frustration. It is hard for us, who look at the world around us with a voice of reason, to accept the superstitions of religion. Above all, everyone must learn to have enlightened discourse filled with respect and a calm head. When you find yourself getting angry and yelling, even if it's just cyber yelling, no one can learn.

You are not going to change a religious persons mind. Most likely they, like myself, were raised from birth with the mindset that has been hammered into their brains daily. Now that my mind is open and able to see religions for what they are, no one can change my mind either. Instead, it serves a greater good to highlight any hatred or divisiveness that is spewed in the name of their god, but not attack the individual. Instead of demonizing all christians in this discussion, try to address the one causing the harm, Brit Hume. If you see a Viner post hateful messages, try to address that individual. The ignore button works wonders as well.

Please consider reading, The God Virus: How Religion Infects Our Lives and Culture, by Darrel W. Ray, Ed.D. This book opened my mind to some of the left over baggage that I was carrying from my religious upbringing, and how to communicate in a better way when confronted by the religious.

Liz, while I realize you're trying to be the "voice of reason", you are coming across as a bit condescending to the millions of people around the world who ascribe to religious beliefs.

You assert that because you've chosen not to believe in God you're somehow more enlightened/open minded; by comparison you infer that those who choose to believe in God therefore must be unenlightened/uneducated/closed minded.

There are many brilliant minds throughout history who have researched, reasoned and argued through this, only to come to a complete disagreement with you. I'm not trying to start an argument; rather to point out that people (even Christians) can disagree with your perspective without being hateful or divisive.

Liz, while I realize you're trying to be the "voice of reason", you are coming across as a bit condescending to the millions of people around the world who ascribe to religious beliefs.

I disagree. Liz said she was felt she was enlightened and open minded, and does not believe in God. Its like saying she was short and black and a woman. (Just an example!) They have nothing to do with each other.

Likewise, she infers nothing, you do. You seem surprised that someone who does not believe the same things you do can feel happiness.

History is no argument for the psycologocal makup of one particular human being. If something has been researched by the smartest people for hundreds of years, that means there is still uncertainty. If there is uncertainty, there is no right or wrong. Disagreeing is meaningless.

In the light of what I have just said, who is being devisive?

Roy

fedupwithliberals is one of two people on my ignore list, which is actually difficult to get on, so I'm not sure what was written. I'm sure fedup explained why I came off as condescending in the post, but I like how you addressed the issue. I could not have said it better myself. Thanks!

The God Virus: How Religion Infects Our Lives and Culture, by Darrel W. Ray, Ed.D.

I've heard some great things about this ... I'm going to have to pick it up !

The term is bible thumpers, not beaters. If this nut job wants to make a horse's hiney out of himself in front of the whole world, let him. If Tiger Woods wants to find religion, he will do it on his own terms and in his own time. He sure does not need any moral guidance from a steaming divot.

Ripley8

The God Virus was an easy but very informative read. I borrowed it from the library but it is on my list for my next Border's visit

Happy Reading!!

lol. You sound like me. I tell people that I am a "either shiiiittt or get off the pot" kind of person. So when I see a dead person rise from the grave, THEN I'll become a believer but not before! Don't string me and humanity endlessly along for generations, and centuries in false hope and false belief, just to make yourself feel better and to feel all snug, safe, secure, and warm. Either "shhhiiittt or get off the pot". Put up, or shut up! lol

They all must be good religious girls who want to meet their savior really soon, for they all have yelled "OH GOD! OH GOD! OH GODDDDDDDDD....I'M COMINGGGGGGGGG!!!".

Hello?????????????????????????????????????????

so are we correct in saying cons like to pull out the

I'm a conservative christian victim card ?

lol