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Reflecting On "Birthmarks," the Oct. 14 Episode of House (Warning: Spoilers)

Guess who that kid is?

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Warning: This review/recap is even more unusual than most of mine, which is saying something. (Lots of parenthetical comments.) Consider yourself warned. If you are looking for a straight recap without any personal asides I suggest leaving this article stat.

Let me say one thing from the outset: This review is going to be more subjective than usual. By that I mean all reviews are subjective but this one more so. Why? Because in this episode both plot lines (yes, only two this week - woo hoo!) involve parents (the episode title of "Birthmarks" also being a hint of this) and that's a raw topic to me.

There are two topics which, even on programs of much less quality than this, can reduce me to tears. Those two topics are the death of a father and someone getting cancer.

Unlike some relatives (I am looking up in your direction, Dad, ) I don't ignore or deflect emotional topics... and perhaps that is why as I was watching this and typing up this recap I found myself, without much conscious thought, writing some asides and personal digressions. I decided to keep those in but put them in parenthesis and to add the warning at the topic.

Now all of that said... this was, to me, a very good episode. Very powerful even if you are not still dealing with fresh pain over the loss of your own father. The writing and acting on this show was stellar. The medicine was more questionable, as Polite Dissent notes on his blog but forced to focus on someone who had a foot of bowel removed (ew!) or House trying to avoid attending his own dad's funeral you can guess where my attention strayed and where it stayed.

The patient of the week is a 25-year-old Chinese woman named Nicole, who grew up in New Jersey but was trying to meet her adopted parents in China when she got sick. I am admittedly going to give her story line short shrift.

After the credits roll, House walks into a room with his team and Taub tells him to call his mom. "What are you, my mom?" House asks him. He presses Taub about bags under Taub's eyes as they continue a plot line from the last episode that I find so uninteresting I don't plan to mention it again. "I don't know what your daddy issues are but don't deflect them on me," Taub tells House.

Foreman also tells House to deal with his dad's death and the funeral. "Seriously I am fine. I did not even like the guy," House said.

Cuddy tells House to go to his dad's funeral but House continues to insists he has no interst in attending the funeral let alone delivering, as his mom wants, the eulogy. he's asked to give the eulogy. House jokes that since eulogy means good words he would rather give a "bastardology." Oh, that House and his snarkiness. Cuddy tells him to act like "a grown up."

While talking to the POTW (patient of the week) House insults her for not covering her mouth when she coughs. (Which reminds me of the time when I was student teaching when I emphasized to elementary school students the importance of hygiene, from washing your hands to covering your mouth. These kids were shocked and appalled when I explained that most people, unlike them, did not normally sneeze or cough into their arm but instead into the hands and then would shake others hands. I then fake sneezed into my hand and said I wanted to congratulate them for being so good at hygiene and thus wanted to shake everyone's hands. They looked at me and my sneeze-filled hand with such disgust you would have thought I'd just farted and tried to light my fart on fire - which I once saw campers do at summer camp..... But I digress. Where was I? Sorry, I'm a little off my game today. Ah, right, House.)

They suspect SARS is the cause of the lady's problems. Cuddy gives House a shot she says is to prevent SARS. Soon after we saw House collapse... and come to (or so the camera suggests) in the passenger seat of a car driven by Wilson, who says, "I am not doing this because I care!" This scene had particularly great acting.

House shares aloud his suspicion that Cuddy drugged House, at the suggestion/behest of Wilson. House does not like it when he gets drugsis given drugs without her permission.

Wilson suggests House needs to deal with the emotions caused by his dad's death.

House, at a rest stop, said his dad did not talk to him one summer, instead slipping typed notes under his bedroom door.(Oh, man, it was at this point that this episode started to really hit home now. I used to communicate best with my parents by typing notes to them which I'd leave on the breakfast table. Wow, I feel like a freak now for doing that. But I still talked to them all the time, but realized quickly I can best articulate and communicate my thoughts in writing. Besides, you don't have to worry about someone interrupting you or cutting you off or body language when you pass it on through typed notes.)

Wilson tells House to lie if he needs to but give his mom the impression they are/were a happy family. (See above about hitting home.)

Finally House, continuing his odd habit of negotiating for everything, offers a deal: He will go to the funeral if Wilson gives him his cane. But when Wilson hands him the cane, House, ass that he is, uses it to knock Wilson's car keys into a sewer grade. House explains he said he would go but not when. Can I just say how impressed I am with how quick House is with that cane? If, or when, he loses his medical license House can do a cross over onto a martial arts tv series.

While Kutner, et al are advancing the plot regarding the patient of the week House is further hindering Wilson's attempts to get them to his dad's funeral. When Wilson asks House to hold a flashlight while he retrieves the car keys House predictably throws that too down into the sewer. It was the House equivalent of handing a cookie to the cookie monster and being chagrined when said cookie is consumed.

Wilson said they will delay the funeral until House arrives. House says his dad was so punctual that if you did not make it to a meal on time you did not get to eat that meal.

(Sorry, another aside: If that was the rule with me when I was growing up I would never eat. I live on what I call Scott Standard Time (SST for short), which is 30-45 minutes past regular time. Speaking of which I saw a clock the other day which threw me for a loop. It's not just a confused clock like others I wrote about but this one is 30 minutes fast. I have seen people who set their personal clocks or watches to avoid being late but a bank clock? Anyway I pass by this bank clock on the way to work and even when i'm on time or early it says i'm late. Gets my ire up every time! Hmm, what's going to happen when we all change our clocks a few weeks. Maybe instead of being 30 minutes early it will be 30 minutes late? That will really confuse me - I will think I'm even later than I already am. Oy.
Stay tuned..

Anyway...)

Chase, who knows from father issues, says House may not be admitting it but he is probably an emotional mess right now. Watching that I realize that I, writing this, am becoming an emotional mess.( What are the odds that recapping a television episode would be cathartic, helping me move past some of my own father issues? And am I not lucky this has happened with this show and not, say, Dexter or Reaper?)

House and Wilson get on the road again but House uses that cane (I am starting to think this cane should demand its own credit - it is THAT good) to hit the accelerator, forcing Wilson to choose between hitting a police car or passing a police car. He opts for the latter.

This leads to my favorite scene in the episode, which takes place at a police station after we learn that Wilson has a warrant out for his arrest.

I love it when the cop shifts gears from being such a hard-ass he makes the guys on Dragnet and Adam-12 seem new agey wishy washy lazy slackers to (upon learning House is trying to avoid his own dad's funeral) wants House to do right by his mom by attending the funeral: "Stop acting like such an ingrate and go pay your respects to your father," the cop tells him.

Meanwhile House has let Wilson in on another one of his daddy issues: House believes his dad is not, in fact, his dad. Biologically, he means. (And, watching that, I flash back on reading a children's book about a parents market where you can switch parents. Predictably the protagonist tries out some new parents before deciding to stick with those already present. Oh, man, that must have killed my parents since they would have obviously known I read it. Man, I suck.)

They arrive at the funeral home. His mom says something which I could easily imagine my own mom saying: "I don't care that you did not like him. He was your father and he loved you. The war is over."

Best exchange of the episode:
House's mom to Wilson: "Stop looking so worried. I know he is going to make me proud.
Wilson: "I am sure that you know him better than I do.

House, forced to give an eulogy, gave the kind of speech about his dad that I played out in fantasies but never articulated.
"This man you are eager to pay homage to was incapable of admitting any point of view but his own. He punished failure..."

Then he pauses mid sentence: "He loved doing what he did. He saw his work as some kind of sacred calling, more important than any personal relationship. Maybe if he had been a better father I would be a better son. But I am what I am because of him for better or for worse."

(At this point I flashed back on all the times I said I wanted to avoid the maxim of "like father like son" coming true, not realizing or understanding that it would not be a curse but a blessing in disguise.)

Then House loses his composure as he says, "I just," chokes up, tries again to get it out, "I just wish..." before stopping to kiss his dad's forehead. I am going to just pretend he didn't do what he did next.

There is a cute scene later on in a diner where House and Wilson, are working, albeit briefly, as a team like Starsky and Hutch or Cagney and Lacey, except that they are doctors.
"This is fun. Isn't it?" House asks. We later get the answer from Wilson: Yes, it is and he misses it. Which means... hooray for those of us who like Wilson (bad news for those who do not) that he is now back, returning to the employment of the hospital.

Related links:

Season opener - reviewed by Vacelts, reviewed by Polite Dissent

Second episode- reviewed by Vacelts, reviewed by Polite Dissent

My interview with Polite Dissent about House

My review of the Sept. 30 Episode of House is here

Want to review tv shows for Newsvine's TV-Guide group? Just email me. My advice to tv recappers is here and Vacelts advice is here.

An ongoing general discussion of tv shows and movies is here

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A comment at Polite Dissent picked up on one plot hole in this episode, namely if there was really a warrant out for Wilson that annoying cop would have used it to his advantage to rattle House As the commenter at Polite Dissent put it:

Hilton October 15th, 2008 at 2:57 am I would also like to point out the part where Wilson gets arrested because a warrant for his arrest many years ago. The reason why this doesn’t flow is cause back in season 3 when Tritter was around and trying to get House arrested, he definitely would have found this warrant on Wilson and used it against him. Aside from that little bump in the story, I really loved all of the Wilson/House scenes, and even though it doesn’t flow, I enjoyed the story of how they met.
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    Reply#1 - Wed Oct 15, 2008 6:16 PM EDT
    {"commentId":3500711,"authorDomain":"stevehouse"}

    The servers are trying to eat this article. You should save it on your compy before it dies forever. I've already gotten a "does not exist" page once, then this time it cuts off in the middle of an introduction (unless that's all you typed...?).

    SHEdit: Looks like an EM tag broke.

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      Reply#2 - Wed Oct 15, 2008 6:31 PM EDT
      {"commentId":3501552,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

      Yes the computer ate a few insightful paragraphs already.

      Argh.

      Check back in 30 minutes.

      I'm working like a mad man to get this all done before the debate. I would have made it with 90 minutes to spare but the server got hungry.

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        #2.1 - Wed Oct 15, 2008 7:23 PM EDT
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        {"commentId":3502057,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

        OK it should now be complete. Can you look it over and tell me if it's all there? Now I need to try to finish photoshopping some new Halloween photos to share before the debate starts in an hour.

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          Reply#3 - Wed Oct 15, 2008 7:53 PM EDT
          {"commentId":3502119,"authorDomain":"stevehouse"}

          The last update to clear is "they arrive at the funeral home". I'll keep checking back.

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            #3.1 - Wed Oct 15, 2008 7:57 PM EDT
            {"commentId":3502202,"authorDomain":"stevehouse"}

            Okay, it's all through. (@!$%# me running, comment posting functions! WORK!) I'll read it and comment shortly.

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              #3.2 - Wed Oct 15, 2008 8:03 PM EDT
              {"commentId":3502364,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

              @!$%# me running

              Nothing personal, I'm sure you are a swell guy but I would prefer not to do so... and I'm not sure I'd know how to do that while running anyway

              Does this mean you won't comment, though?

              neither want to do that with you (running

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                #3.3 - Wed Oct 15, 2008 8:13 PM EDT
                {"commentId":3502565,"authorDomain":"stevehouse"}

                I'll stick to form and discuss the POTD vs. MOTD (melodrama of the day). Spoilers abound, so hide the kids and those who haven't seen this epi yet.

                Obvious similarities: She's a chronic addict, so is House. Her father tried to kill her with pins in the brain when she was a baby, causing her problems; House's father isn't his biological father and that seems to have rather tortured the both of them, causing House's personality flaws in many ways. (That's sort of a stretch, but it's there.)

                I don't know about not-so-obvious similarities. Sorry. I tried. Nicole just wasn't that important. Sucks, actress, but there it is. This was an episode about House and Wilson, end of story. And, uh... where'd Lucas go?

                See???? See there???? Your comment got eaten a little too! This is getting ridiculous! (that was an edit.)

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                  #3.4 - Wed Oct 15, 2008 8:26 PM EDT
                  {"commentId":3502750,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

                  Yeah i wondered where lucas was too but since it was the tv version of a road show i was ok with that

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                    #3.5 - Wed Oct 15, 2008 9:10 PM EDT
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                    {"commentId":3503335,"authorDomain":"MinnieApolis"}

                    Pretty good personal review, Scott. Doesn't it suck when the writers of the TV shows seem to have it in for you? Making ya cry and all that. The bums.

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                    Reply#4 - Wed Oct 15, 2008 10:01 PM EDT
                    {"commentId":3507024,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

                    thanks, minnie. i struggled with this one because i didnt want to make it too personal but then decided i can clarify that (if anything i probably overdid that with the headline and warning)

                    I added in at the last minute that comment that if i have to have a growing/cathartic moment i'd rather it be during house than, say, during the fringe or heroes or something like that.... or Dexter.

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                      #4.1 - Wed Oct 15, 2008 10:48 PM EDT
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                      {"commentId":3534270,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

                      From Television Without Pity:

                      So Who's Going Out and Buying an MmmBop Ringtone Today (Besides Me)?

                      Last night's House was amazing for a million reasons. House and Wilson were back together and on a bromantic road trip together, Hugh Laurie's performance in the funeral scene was breathtakingly good, the minions had to make themselves useful without House (for the most part) while he was off being taken hostage by Wilson, and even Kal Penn's character had something interesting to contribute in his scenes with the patient of the week for once. All in all, I think we can agree that this episode will go down as one of the best of the series. But more importantly -- how awesome was House's "MmmBop" ringtone?! As someone who prides myself on picking out the perfect ironic ringtones for every occasion, I have to say my current "Candle in the Wind" has been checkmated by House's Hanson, and I am so copying him. Anyone else love (or hate, and you'd certainly have a valid argument if you do) the Hanson joke?

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                      Reply#5 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 2:58 PM EDT
                      {"commentId":3550440,"authorDomain":"firsty"}

                      i also liked the episode, although i have found myself in the minority this season in that i found the first few episodes equally satisfying. if anything, i thought that some of the funeral-related scenes were contrived, including wilson's glass-throwing reaction (it looked like there was a body in the casket occupying the room wilson and house were arguing in after house's eulogy, and i was expecting another mourning family to walk in on them. i hadnt thought of the crooked cop connection to wilson's warrant, but generally found that plotline weak as well. cops dont act like that cop acted, although the circumstances of the NOLA meeting of wilson and house were pretty interesting, including how house researched the unopened express mail package wilson was carrying around.

                      one clarification - cuddy did explicitly tell house that his shot was for SARS. my guess, once he opened his eyes in the car, was that she added the tranq to whatever she really gave him for possible SARS exposure, which they were treating pretty seriously.

                      one note of interest - as house was explaining the way that the weights and magnets worked in the buddhist temple's idol, i reminded my wife that we had watched a history channel program about ancient roman temples that also used magnets not only to make their idols and statues move, bleed or weep, but also to make chariots move through the air to elicit belief and faith. that program was actually airing on the history channel immediately after house ended - it's called something like "science and religion", and it's pretty interesting. i liked how the part of the POTW collapsing was absorbed into her other problems, initially ignoring the fact that the buddha was heavier the second time she tried to lift it (as opposed to the alternative and the point of the idol, which was to make the person thiink her prayer had been answered). this was pointed out finally by kutner, not house - and it was a key part of the diagnosis because it provided the basis for her first symptom, and it was obviously flawed. house might have caught it had he not been so distracted.

                      i'm not so sure about how all her symptoms were explained by the parts of the brain that the inserted needles were pressing on. we misunderstand and simply dont understand a great deal about the brain. it's becoming an ongoing complaint of mine that "house, md" treats the brain like it can be read and manipulated in completely predictable and reliable ways, from neurosurgery to hallucinations, etc.

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                      Reply#6 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 12:37 PM EDT
                      {"commentId":3551582,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

                      i intentionally skipped the tossing the bottle scene - i thought it was too... hmm - too cliche, I guess. It was also extranous.

                      The needle explanation was too pat - that was also the consensus at the polite dissent review and commenters

                      Thanks, as always, for your comments, Firsty. I hope to see you back writing again soon. How's the health?

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                        #6.1 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 1:45 PM EDT
                        {"commentId":3556364,"authorDomain":"stevehouse"}

                        it's becoming an ongoing complaint of mine that "house, md" treats the brain like it can be read and manipulated in completely predictable and reliable ways, from neurosurgery to hallucinations, etc.

                        Yeah. Good point.

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                        #6.2 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 7:28 PM EDT
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                        {"commentId":3591801,"authorDomain":"vacelts"}

                        Good review Scott.  It was one of the better episodes this season.

                        But I have a question:  If this episode was cathartic for you, what will this week's be?  A fantasy?  ;-)

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                        Reply#7 - Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:32 PM EDT
                        {"commentId":3601385,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

                        The better question is, "do you like to watch?"

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                        #7.1 - Mon Oct 20, 2008 11:38 PM EDT
                        {"commentId":3615676,"authorDomain":"vacelts"}

                        I'm not the one recapping the show.

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                        #7.2 - Tue Oct 21, 2008 6:18 PM EDT
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                        {"commentId":3628552,"authorDomain":"vacelts"}

                        Now that sounds like a memoir piece.

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                        #7.4 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 12:05 PM EDT
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                        {"commentId":3611468,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}


                        My favorite bits from Television Without Pity’s recap of House last week:


                        Cuddy becomes an even bigger pain in House's ass by telling him that the funeral is tomorrow and his mother wants him to give the eulogy. Why? Why does she want that? She knows House doesn't want to go to the funeral in the first place, so much so that she had to call his boss about it, so why would she press her luck by insisting he give a eulogy too? Give up the dream, woman! House says he'd be happy to deliver a "bastardogy," to which Cuddy tells him to "be a grown-up" and call his mother and lie that he's too busy to attend the funeral. Erm ... no, Cuddy. Being a grown-up would be calling your mother and telling her the truth. Or having made peace with your @!$%# father years ago so that you could bear to attend his funeral. House says his mother knows when he's lying. "Then start writing," Cuddy says.
                        ............

                        After the break, House realizes that Cuddy didn't shoot him up with Ig, but drugged him instead. While thinking he was exposed to SARS? Did she want to spread it to Wilson and the attendees at House's dad's funeral? Damn, Cuddy. That's cold. I'm just sad we didn't get to see the no-doubt-humorous scene of Cuddy running into House's office, finding him on the ground, and summoning Wilson in. Together, they rolled him up in a carpet and then carried the carpet with a suspicious House-shaped lump out the front door of PPTH, and no one was the wiser. Or maybe they just sat him in a wheelchair and wheeled him out and no one thought anything of it since House is usually in a state of unconsciousness for one reason or another anyway. Either way, I think we can chalk up one more failure to the crack PPTH security team, who managed not to notice an important member of the staff being kidnapped from his office, which is all windows and no walls.
                        ......................

                        After the break, House realizes that Cuddy didn't shoot him up with Ig, but drugged him instead. While thinking he was exposed to SARS? Did she want to spread it to Wilson and the attendees at House's dad's funeral? Damn, Cuddy. That's cold. I'm just sad we didn't get to see the no-doubt-humorous scene of Cuddy running into House's office, finding him on the ground, and summoning Wilson in. Together, they rolled him up in a carpet and then carried the carpet with a suspicious House-shaped lump out the front door of PPTH, and no one was the wiser. Or maybe they just sat him in a wheelchair and wheeled him out and no one thought anything of it since House is usually in a state of unconsciousness for one reason or another anyway. Either way, I think we can chalk up one more failure to the crack PPTH security team, who managed not to notice an important member of the staff being kidnapped from his office, which is all windows and no walls.
                        ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,


                        Wilson tells House that he can stop trying to delay them, since Mother House told him that she'd hold up the funeral until House arrived. Well, that's just embarrassing. You're going to make the people who cared enough to turn out for the funeral sit around for hours waiting for the dead guy's son to show up? Is this really the best way to honor Father House? Did he even want House at his funeral? I'm starting to wonder who all this is really for. House doesn't believe Wilson, saying his father was a stickler for timeliness, to the point where he'd withhold dinner if you were two seconds late for it. Father House must have spent the last years of his life being really, really, REALLY angry at airports. One time, I showed up for a flight and they told me it had been delayed FOR SEVEN HOURS. I almost missed a wedding! Maybe that's what killed Father House.
                        ,................

                        house recap
                        and over again as Wilson tries to deny it, stepping closer and closer to him until the dead woman finally sits up and tells them to make out already. Actually, Wilson gets so angry that he picks up a bottle of Maker's Mark that is conveniently sitting on a table (must be an Irish funeral) and launches it through a stained glass window. "Still not boring!" House says. Wow, what's up with Wilson and his irrational hatred of bottles and antiques?
                        ......................
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                        Reply#8 - Tue Oct 21, 2008 3:03 PM EDT
                        {"commentId":3639270,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

                        I'm leaning toward skipping writing a review of this week's show opting instead for just making a few comments at my seed of Polite Dissent's review of the episode.

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                        Reply#9 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 7:16 PM EDT
                        {"commentId":4197986,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

                        I’m not going to be online much this week – still no computer - so if someone else wants to review or recap House this week be my guest.

                        For internet access I'm going to need to pay for kinkos and that does add up.l

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                          Reply#10 - Tue Nov 25, 2008 11:39 AM EST
                          {"commentId":4198026,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

                          spoiler warning:

                          So what did you think about the latest things going on with Foreman?

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                            Reply#11 - Tue Nov 25, 2008 11:41 AM EST
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