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Editing Help Requested: Thinking About The Freedom Writers Movie and My Teaching Experiences

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I wanted to see this movie for three reasons - I had heard it was good, I figured it might trigger some thoughts and memories about teaching and our very own Kymlee is one of the Freedom Writers on which the book was built/based and upon which the movie was made. I spent part of Sunday reading Kymlee's articles about being a Freedom Writer, particularly her series that starts here.

Freedom Writers is a story about a teacher, Erin Gruwell, who put her butt on the line to do two difficult things at once - fight a school and school district that had the cards stacked against students it did not expect to accomplish much, due to race or past behavior problems, and truly connect with the students on a personal level. Some of the students are in rival gangs.

They learn for the first time about the Holocaust and how gangs are nothing new. In one of the movie's most powerful scenes she describes the Nazis as one of history's toughest, meanest, most powerful gangs. Later they to to the Muesum of Tolerance in Los Angeles and meet holocaust survivors. She picks up the tab for dinner and holds down two and later three jobs at once to pay for the extra expenses she incurrs while organizing such trips since she is unable to get the school or the school district to fund it.

She teaches them about the freedom riders and they adopt a variation of that term to summarize their own writings in journals which are chillingly excerpted in the movie.

The movie was powerful and inspiring. However, I also found it somewhat depressing due to my personal experience.

I worked with four mentor teachers and only the last was as inspiring and amazing as the teacher around which the true book and movie were based.

As we have been talking about in this discussion about books and English teachers, a really good inspiring English teacher is a thing of beauty, opening minds and options forever.

But an awful teacher - and there are so many (heck one of mine was so awful that she was a factor in my entering education), can rub a student wrong and turn them away, sometimes for life, away from reading and writing. No pressure, right?

While Freedom Writers focused on how much good one teacher can do it reminded me both how rare it is for teachers, in my experience, to be like that and, more importantly, that the way the education system is set up (and increasingly so due to No Child Left Behind) discourages teachers from trying new things.

It is not that teachers set out to be bad or not care about their students or give them respect or care about their thoughts, there are many teachers who want to do those things, but many of those key, dare I say crucial, things are discouraged in the present education system where the focus is on teaching a particular curriculum point on a particular day and everything is so regimented that to go off and try something different is not only discouraged but can lead to major problems for a teacher.

While student teaching I read the statistics about how the average length of a new teacher's career was about six years and, sure, I knew that was distressing but I never thought I'd be one of the ones who didn't even last that long and I sure did not expect that two of my mentor teachers, the best of them, and my first and last ones, would be leaving the profession partly because they were burnt out and partly because they they were feeling forced to do stuff like this teacher did, namely having side jobs to help pay for things for the classroom. Put simply they dared to do things their own way, which made them better teachers but caused problems with other teachers.

So how sad it is that as I watched Freedom Writers I was thinking, man, she'd never last if she kept this up! I think we were supposed to think, "Wow, how inspiring. See good teachers exist!" but I instead was thinking, "If that teacher has not retired or been forced out by now she soon will!" By the next day I realized they would never fire her because now she's famous but if other teachers not affiliated with her tried circumventing the chain of command and doing other things that made the principal look bad they'd be quickly tossed out of a job.

As with so many movies I see lately it also raised questions about what is truth? Is the movie true because it's based on a true story? Are composite characters a necessary evil? I found myself wishing the movie could be a documentary instead of a fictionalized version of events so I can know what really happened. To watch the movie one could think she only had one class when she had at least three in reality. And while the movie makes it appear as if half the students are packing heat or gangsters that is not the reality. But maybe I'm alone in that I'd rather see and hear the actual students than actors playing them.

The movie also reminded me it's time to watch the season of The Wire that takes place in the Baltimore schools. I have put off watching it for a while because what happened to me as a student teacher, what I saw and what happened to me, well, it's still fresh. While I sometimes seem to write about every possible topic there is one subject I have not written about except indirectly in pieces like this and that is because it still hurts - whether I think of it as a personal failure or rationalize it out as a circumstances beyond my control - it still hurts.

One day I will find a way to tell that story. For now I'll share it in tidbits and perspectives and reflection pieces such as this.

The movie, indirectly, made two other excellent points about the reality of education today. First, reward works better than punishment.

As one of my mentor teachers told me, these kids have been punished all their lives. If you want to get their attention and respect you don't discipline them through punishment - you reward them when they are excellent.

Second, this mentor teacher - and the teacher in the movie - subscribed to the same idea I do (and that I still rely on with the special needs adults I work with- namely set the goal above them and they will reach for it and impress you and, more importantly, themselves. Set low expectations and they will easily reach them and dislike you and themselves for the bar being set so low. If you think they don't notice this you are kidding yourself.

I practice this philosophy and soon people I work with are doing things others are saying they had no idea they could do, while I'm asking, "Why didn't they try?"

As I also a/sbutki.newsvine.com/_news/2008/08/25/1784268-dc-middle-schoolers-who-behave-can-get-100-a-month"">talk about over here, the people I work with are now doing things others had no idea they could do. I simply ask, "Why didn't they try?""

Similarly, Mrs G (as she's called in the movie) not only expects more of her students than other teachers and administrators but sometimes more than the students themslves believe they are capable of.

I ask you to try this yourself, challenge others - and yourself - to do more than might, at first, seem possible. Try talking less and listening more. Experiment with the power of suggestion (preferrably using this power for good not evil)

Most of all, though, test yourself. Try writing, for example, about your life from other perspectives,be it that of your car, your computer or your phone. Through such work you, like the students in Mrs. G's class, will learn more about yourself.

Last of all, remember, education is not something that happens just in schools. Never stop educating yourself and use that knowledge to help yourself and others.

Why? Two reasons actually: Education really is power and through these types of actions you can yourself, perhaps, become a freedom writer.

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{"commentId":2670865,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

Ok If I did this right it will only be visible to members of this group or anyone else I invite.

I'm setting this up for two purposes: To get feedback and advice on this particular memoir piece

and, more importantly, to be the guinea pig for this idea of using this group to find and fix errors before publication.

The hardest stuff to edit is one's own and I'd be hard pressed to think of something more difficult to edit than one's own reflection because you know what you're trying to say but after a while you start to mentally insert words and thoughts where they may not actually exist.

So go wild with suggestions. Be as mean or critical as you want with me - you can't be any more brutal than some of my copy editors have been.

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Reply#1 - Sun Aug 31, 2008 3:29 PM EDT
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Oh and the most obvious problem with this is something I've complained about in the mentoring topic," namely if i write in Microsoft word when offline than all punctuaction turns into crap. But I forgot that when I wrote the above in a rush of about one hour from 1 to 2 a.m. the other day.

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Reply#2 - Sun Aug 31, 2008 3:46 PM EDT
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(I was going to include this in their but I can't decide where to put it and if it's just too distracting. To me writing is often like a jigsaw puzzle, ie. you have all the pieces but you have to figure out what goes where and sometimes you have extraneous or overlapping pieces.)

The scenes in the movie about the Museum of Tolernace reminded me of one of my favorite documentaries, Paper Clips, and a piece did where I talked about objects like shoes that can help younger people grasp the enormity of the holocaust.

As with so many movies I see lately it also raised questions about what is truth? Is the movie true because it's based on a true story? Are composite characters a necessary evil? I found myself wishing the movie could be a documentary instead of a fictionalized version of events so I can know what really happened. To watch the movie one could think she only had one class when she had at least three in reality. And while the movie makes it appear as if half the students are packing heat or gangsters that is not the reality. But maybe I'm alone in that I'd rather see and hear the actual students than actors playing them.

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Reply#3 - Sun Aug 31, 2008 4:32 PM EDT
{"commentId":2683688,"authorDomain":"angela593"}

Scott- who is my audience, topic, ...what is the theme? I have read this article. The movie?(have seen) bad teachers? my experience? Hope I am not being too obtuse or difficult. I am always open to learning. Time, tenacity, need. I am not officially a writer by trade. I am a teacher. where to next?

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#3.1 - Mon Sep 1, 2008 4:52 PM EDT
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Audience?
This is an article for Newsvine. It's less movie review than personal reflection which is why i have that headline.

I'm hoping once I post it that you and other teachers will respond to the topics I raise.

What I'm looking for immediately is if my essay is clear, if I need to reword or rearrange anything so that it's as clear as possible.

I plan to publish it on about Wednesday.

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    #3.2 - Mon Sep 1, 2008 5:22 PM EDT
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    {"commentId":2686097,"authorDomain":"angela593"}
    But an awful teacher - and there are so many (heck one of mine was so awful that she was a factor in my entering education) - can shut down student minds and options. While Freedom Writers focused on how much good one teacher can do it reminded me both how rare it is for teachers, in my experience, to be like that and, more importantly, that the way the education system is set up (and increasingly so due to No Child Left Behind) discourages teachers from trying new things.

    I do not necessarily agree, but I changed a few things in the para above. You are the writer(artist)and you have reasons for the words you chose, so I do not intend to offend.

    First, let me draw a quick analogy between driving and writing. Most drivers are good drivers because the rules of the road are public and shared, they are consistently enforced, and the consequences of bad driving are clear. I believe most students would become better writers if the rules of writing were public and shared, they were consistently enforced, and the consequences of bad writing were made clear.

    http://www.insidehighered.com/views/2006/04/28/musgrove

    This reminded me of your public writing workshops on line.

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    Reply#4 - Mon Sep 1, 2008 8:23 PM EDT
    {"commentId":2686657,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

    That does look better. I can add a sentence but what i'm really talking about are the people who don't like reading or writing because of experiences with teachers.

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    #4.1 - Mon Sep 1, 2008 9:07 PM EDT
    {"commentId":2687666,"authorDomain":"angela593"}

    Scott- oh and oh again. thanks. I think people who work with high school and college students could provide more valid thinking on this topic. Middle schoolers struggle with so many things. I took the writing challenge in grad school faced my fears had a tough but good prof and improved. Practice, read, research, read, edit etc. until the product improved. He would correct with mucho red marks but allowed us to re do for a better grade. It was a great learning process. Teaching reading and writing is very time consuming for both the student and teacher and I think we might grow impatient with the process.My favorite teachers' passion for their subject came through each lecture and presentation. Their energy inspired me to grab on to the ideas and immerse myself in the topics at hand with reading and writing. Loved the movie, moved me to tears.

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      #4.2 - Mon Sep 1, 2008 10:25 PM EDT
      {"commentId":2687883,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

      Ok let's save the comments and discussion for when I publish it (i'll let you cut and paste it) but are there any parts of the article you think need rewriting or clearing up or struck due to rambling?

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        #4.3 - Mon Sep 1, 2008 10:41 PM EDT
        {"commentId":2691620,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

        marilyn, will you look at it againt to see if it's now better?

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          #4.4 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 8:02 AM EDT
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          {"commentId":2689670,"authorDomain":"marilynl"}

          Hi Scott,

          I don't have much time for comments lately, but thought I'd stop by and participate, since you invited me.

          I like the article a lot. I do think you could tighten it up in the middle. Around about here I thought readers who don't know you might check out:

          The movie also reminded me it's time to watch the season of the Wire that takes place in the Baltimore schools. I have put off watching it for a while because what happened to me as a student teacher, what I saw and what happened to me, well, it's still fresh. I know you guys probably thinking I'll write about just about anything - and will link to stuff to prove it (and have done so excessively and am working on curbing that practice, something made easier now that we no longer have Vinestalk)... but there's one topic I've not written about except indirectly in pieces like this and that is because it still hurts - whether I think of it as a personal failure or rationalize it out as a circumstances beyond my control - it still hurts.

          One day I'll find a way to tell that story. For now I'll share it in tidbits and perspectives and reflection pieces such as this.

          After those paras you come back to the topic. I'd cut them or try to clarify the point you're trying to make in fewer words.

          Or, if that doesn't work for you, I might change the title to make it even more personal: something along the lines of: Freedom Writers (the movie) Hit Me Hard, Bringing Back Memories of My Teaching Career. Or something like that.

          I hope this is the kind of feedback you're looking for. I give it as your friend.

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          Reply#5 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 1:04 AM EDT
          {"commentId":2691556,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

          Marilyn, that's exactly the kind of feedback I'll need - I sometimes assume the readers know me well when I should be writing without that assumption. I'll remove the extra meta like about vinestalk

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          #5.1 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 7:54 AM EDT
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          {"commentId":2691085,"authorDomain":"umadoshi"}

          For now I will simply say that this is an effort truly worthy of your time. Though not a teacher myself, I had my share of both, and will provide my thoughts from the perspective of a student for what it's worth!

          Will be back later to see if there are any 'fixes' i might suggest, but for the most part, it is clear!

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            Reply#6 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 5:42 AM EDT
            {"commentId":2691566,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

            Marcus, thanks. If I don't hear any more fixes by noon I'll publish it then.

            Just made a few adjustments

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              #6.1 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 7:56 AM EDT
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              {"commentId":2692227,"authorDomain":"Nimbus2008"}

              Hi Scott,
              A few things I noticed, just grammatical, minor stuff. I'll use P-# to indicate paragraphs that I'm talking about.
              P-4 "rub a student work" should that be "rub a student wrong"
              P-7 "average length of a teacher" should that be "of a teacher's career"
              P-8 Tolernance or Tolerance?
              P-9 Should "the season of the Wire" be all caps?
              P-13 - could you mention these points earlier as well as in your conclusion?
              P-14 - you may want to rephrase "(and which I do with my special needs adults that I work with" to something like, "(particularly, in my work with adults with disabilities)" or something like that.
              Last paragraph - this could be tightened up a little. Or maybe ask a direct question to the audience so that you can spark the discussion you'd like to engage in with us.

              Overall, it makes sense and flows well. :-) Sarah

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              Reply#7 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 9:12 AM EDT
              {"commentId":2692720,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

              Excellent suggestions. Thank you very much. Ok, now we're even:)

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              #7.1 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 9:50 AM EDT
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              {"commentId":2705844,"authorDomain":"mcorley"}

              Hi Scott -- like Marilyn, I haven't been commenting much these days either, but I wanted to help here in case I ever need editing assistance myself. Thanks for inviting me to participate! Warning: I'm an unrelenting tightener -- if this doesn't mesh with your style, please disregard where appropriate.

              Here are my suggestions (some may be repeats from those above):

              I haven't seen the movie you're discussing and so a brief overview near the top would be helpful. I am, however, inspired to watch the movie after reading your piece!

              (graph 2) "The movie was quite powerful and in some ways inspiring, though I ended up finding it sort of depressing but that was less because of the movie than my own personal experience." --> "The movie was quite powerful--even inspiring. However, I also found it somewhat depressing due to my personal experience."

              (graph 3) "a really good inspiring" --> "a really good and inspiring" OR "a really good, inspiring" OR "a really inspiring" (good implied)

              (graph 4) "can rub a student work" -- "can rub a student wrong"

              (graph 6) replace hyphens with periods.

              (graph 7) "the average length of a new teacher was about six years" --> "the average length of service for a new teacher was about six years"

              (graph 7) "would be leaving the profession entirely partly" -- I think you mean partly

              (graph 7; last sentence) -- comma needed between way and which

              (graph 8) "has not retired or forced out" --> "has not retired or been forced out"

              (graph 9) "and a piece did" --> "and a piece I did"? (I would also elaborate on what "Paper Clips" is about)

              (graph 13) "As one of my mentor teachers told me these kids have been punished all their lives if you want to get their attention..." --> "As one of my mentor teachers told me, these kids have been punished all their lives. If you want to get their attention, ..."

              (graph 14) "subscribed to the same idea I do (and which I do with my special needs adults I work with)" --> "subscribed to the same idea I do (and that I still rely on with the special needs adults I work with)"

              (last graph) "I practice this philosophy - as I also talk about over here - and soon people I work with are doing things others are saying they had no idea they could do, while I'm asking, "Why didn't they try?"" --> "As I also talk about over here, the people I work with are now doing things others had no idea they could do. I simply ask, "Why didn't they try?""

              Hope these suggestions aren't too late and that you find them helpful! It sounds like there's much more to your personal story -- I look forward to reading more about it.

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              Reply#8 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 8:02 PM EDT
              {"commentId":2709503,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}
              graph 9) "and a piece did" --> "and a piece I did"? (I would also elaborate on what "Paper Clips" is about)

              Changed that - let me know if you like it better with the "related" list

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                #8.1 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 11:05 PM EDT
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                {"commentId":2707574,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

                Thank you very much. I'll add a paragraph summarizing the story. I'll make the suggested changes and will publish this tomorrow morning.

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                  Reply#9 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 9:40 PM EDT
                  {"commentId":2707758,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

                  Freedom Writers is a story about a teacher who put her butt on the line to do two difficult things at once - fight a school and school district that had the cards stacked against students it did not expect to accomplish much, due to race or past behavior problems, and truly connect with the students on a personal level. Some of the students are in rival gangs.

                  They learn for the first time about the Holocaust and how gangs are nothing new. In one of the movie's most powerful scenes she describes the Nazis as one of history's toughest, meanest, most powerful gangs. Later they to to the Muesum of Tolerance in Los Angeles and meet holocaust survivors. She picks up the tab for dinner and holds down two and later three jobs at once to pay for the extra expenses she incurrs while organizing such trips since she is unable to get the school or the school district to fund it.

                  She teaches them about the freedom riders and they adopt a variation of that term to summarize their own writings in journals which are chillingly excerpted in the movie.

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                    Reply#10 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 9:51 PM EDT
                    {"commentId":2714933,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

                    OK the finished product is here so please swing by and leave a comment. Thanks again, everyone.

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                      Reply#11 - Wed Sep 3, 2008 8:32 AM EDT
                      {"commentId":2816615,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

                      I have published to this group another article for editing help or advice. You should be able to get to it via here.

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                        Reply#12 - Mon Sep 8, 2008 10:44 AM EDT
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