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SCOTT (SCOOP) BUTKI
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If you are like me (and god help you if you are) you're getting a bit tired of reading the same criticisms and arguments against Obama day after day. Especially since many of them have been rebutted.
So I had an idea. Obama has a web page to rebut hoaxes and false rumors and I'm sure McCain has one too.
Why not have an article that serves as an index of articles and seeds at Newsvine that rebut some of these arguments and attacks.
That's what I hope to do with this article
I'll post some arguments and rebuttals to get us started.
The Middle East Trip
1. The alleged snub of the troops, disproven here and here and here (with McCain's commerical)
2. The "volume" argument, i.e. the media is spending too much time on Obama and not enough on McCain - rebutted here this piece: Obama lavished with airtime -- and criticism
3. The media was not covering McCain at all, rebutted here with this NYT analysis piece pointing out the boring stuff McCain was doing while Obama was doing much more newsworthy events
4. The media isn't asking hard questions - rebutted and explained here
5. The general catch-22, i.e. he gets criticized for not going to Iraq then get criticized for the media coverage when he DOES go to Iraq.
Obama has not been vetted Most direct rebuttal is here
The alleged liberal media bias
Stacy seeded a study disputing the bias issue. Wooblahalso wrote a story disputing the liberal media theory. Stacy also seeded a great story with this amazing headline: That "Liberal Media" that is totally in the bag for Obama edits out McCain's embarassingly false statement about The Surge during CBS interview as did Bondibox
Obama's background
His middle name is Hussein - which proving what exactly? Some are taking his name as their own
Rumors: Obama was muslim: rebutted here and here
Civil rights leaders were slow to endorse him - explained here - and what's the deal with his weird hands-off policy with muslims (explained here)
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I'll update this periodically as others - hopefully - add their own rebuttals for me to link to.
Any questions?
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- 4 votes
#1 - Thu Jul 31, 2008 2:14 PM EDT{"commentId":2545655,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}
{"commentId":2572334,"authorDomain":"dswinder"}
Thanks for doing this.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":2582728,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}
{"commentId":2756086,"authorDomain":"partisanhack"}
Useful resource, Scott, thanks. Clipped to The Truth Network.
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{"commentId":2756974,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}
{"commentId":2759564,"authorDomain":"uncleandy"}
Great Job Scott.
If you don't mine, I would like to link my "Drill Now" comments to this thread. here is the link
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":2805220,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}
{"commentId":2336884,"authorDomain":"emartens"}
Sounds like a good idea to me. A quick site for reference and a site to send the eternally befuddled. Hopefully I'll be able to contribute.
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- 2 votes
#2 - Thu Jul 31, 2008 8:02 PM EDT{"commentId":2336930,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}
{"commentId":2337658,"authorDomain":"jade-log"}
It makes sense but the people who need the information to make considered vote based on reality will not go here.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":2338206,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}
{"commentId":2339030,"authorDomain":"darkknightjrk"}
Nice collection of articles--the only thing that really suprised me was that the Rudy group is STILL ALIVE. :|
Though it doesn't have what inevitably worries me about Obama--that he'll go into office and, in traditional politician style, won't deliver a single thing he promises. Considering that his whole platform is on changing the system, there's going to be a whole lot of angry, hurt, and confused public if he does not or can not deliver.
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- 3 votes
#3 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 1:37 AM EDT{"commentId":2339674,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}
{"commentId":2344753,"authorDomain":"darkknightjrk"}
I hadn't listed that because my usual response to that is how is that something specific or different for obama than any other candidate? You never know what they'll deliver whether it's Obama or McCain or whoever
Maybe it's because that's what he placed his entire campaign on?
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- 1 vote
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{"commentId":2345564,"authorDomain":"emartens"}
Some renege, some just can't deliver.
For instance if McCain wins the presidency he'll most like face an even more democratic House and Senate. Just what campaign promises will he be able to keep under those circumstances?
Sure, Obama is making promises but unlike McCain, Obama offers a glimmer of hope for change and that's enough for me.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":2346081,"authorDomain":"darkknightjrk"}
As opposed to McCain offering no promises or pledges? You lost me. Don't all politicians offer promises which they invariably renege on?
I'm not saying McCain is any better or worse--hell, out of the two, I'd be more comfortable with the mysterious smooth-talker then the senile liar. The difference between the two that I find is that Obama isn't just making your usual campaign promises, he's promising to CHANGE THE SYSTEM, which is causing a lot of people who wouldn't care either way to look at him and making people hope--unlike McCain, whom finding him breaking promises would be par for the course, Obama doing it will hurt a hell of a lot more.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":2346250,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}
{"commentId":2357785,"authorDomain":"emartens"}
Scott,
I don't know if these could be considered rebuttal but they sure do give light to the "playing the race card" issue.
First from Huffington post an article references the McCain camp putting Obama's picture on a $100 bill:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-shaw/reading-the-pictures-emdo_b_116451.html
Then another article from Ben Smith's Blog on Politico referencing a video on youtube;
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0808/Obama_explains_dollar_bill_line.html?showall
And finally the youtube video, obviously posted from McCain's camp and posted to youtube on June 30:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPARec32KMI
Seems the McCain camps' claim of Obama playing the race card while speaking just recently was preceded by their having already done what he said they would.
FWIW, I sure don't remember the Obama camp calling this video "playing the race card" and as I see it, it meets the criteria.
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- 1 vote
#4 - Sun Aug 3, 2008 11:22 PM EDT{"commentId":2375457,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}
{"commentId":2375704,"authorDomain":"emartens"}
Received and accepted, thank you. Enjoy Denver I think that's fantastic.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":2376018,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}
{"commentId":2378227,"authorDomain":"emartens"}
Ooops! My mistake. There are days when confusion reigns supreme in my mind.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":2380902,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}
{"commentId":2441311,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}
I just made this post in two places - here and here - so I thought I'd put it here for the record
You know what? I'm getting tired of this idea that because someone attends a church that automatically means they believe everything said in the church. Do we have any other Catholics or former Catholics here? I grew up Catholic and left because of my differences of opinion with the church - about gay rights, women rights, divorce, safe sex, shall I go on... But you know what? I was shocked at how many people I knew who are or were catholic who disagreed with the church on multiple issues yet remained at church believing - and asking me to join them - that it's easier to change the church from the inside than from outside.
Have others had this experience?
My point? So if we accept the premise that Catholics don't believe everything their pastor says then why is it so hard for some to accept that Obama and his wife don't believe everything Wright says.
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- 1 vote
#5 - Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:13 AM EDT{"commentId":2748219,"authorDomain":"lasong"}
Have others had this experience (raised Catholic......) I had almost the same experience being raised Catholic and like you, disagreed with many of the Church doctrines. A few days ago I heard a statistic that of course did not surprise me. It said that as high as 90% of Catholic women practiced birth control. So here you have a large majority of parishioners who not only disagree with its Church but refuse to follow in action one of its oldest and strongest doctrines. When you talk with people from other churches, most seem to agree that it is the "community" and the "people" and what their individual church gives through its own programs that keeps them faithfully attending. So it's understandable in my view that the Obamas felt the same way. This is a great idea BTW to help respond to the false attacks. And on that note, the Palin speech was well delivered and a good speech as speeches go, but was so full of negative attacks it ended with still not any answers of what her plan was on the issues. I was particularly upset that after Obama came to her defense with the media coverage, anyone who took the podium still chose to attack Obama. Win at all costs?
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":2753340,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}
{"commentId":2444775,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}
Or let me answer this way - copied over from the Is Jesus Black discussion:
So out of all of those statements I made you choose to contest 1 of the 12 and even that one is a weak "who is going to sit..."? Yeah why sift through facts before making judgements on a person? Facts so get in the way. What about the other comments I made? You seem to have ignored all comments about McCain
Who is going to sit through "reverend" Wright's hate filled sermon's for twenty years unless they are in agreement with the anti-white, anti-Jew, anti-American rhetoric he is spewing? I'm sorry but if you have seen the videos of his sermon
Political hitmen like this one I interviewed brag about browsing through this stuff to showcase the worst stuff.
So who would sit through it? People paid to sit through it.They then feed it to networks like fox who broadcast and then, whether it's 30 second over 20 years or 8 minutes over 20 years it's still become, obviously at least to you, then someone can point to you and say this (8 minutes) equals 20 years.
My question is if we're going to play guilt by association why McCain doesn't have to explain why he can support people like Falwell who say things like this:
Rev. Jerry Falwell (with Rev. Pat Robertson) blames pagans, abortionists, feminists & gays and lesbians for bringing on the terrorist attacks in New York and Washington
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#6 - Wed Aug 13, 2008 3:37 PM EDT{"commentId":2461171,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}
A new book distorts and smears Obama.
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#7 - Fri Aug 15, 2008 6:56 AM EDT{"commentId":2747405,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}
{"commentId":2769969,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}
Some convention coverage:
Adam Hobson on the Ron Paul presence (or lack thereof) at the RNC
Mythbuster: The teleprompter for Palin was not broken
McCain the Nominee Delivers a Eulogy for McCain the Maverick
What's the difference between a hockey mom and a soccer mom?
The lily-white show in St. Paul spells trouble for the future of the GOP.
The Sarah Palin FAQ; Everything you ever wanted to know about the Republican vice presidential nominee.
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#9 - Fri Sep 5, 2008 8:14 AM EDT{"commentId":2805066,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}
I just seeded a great column because it points out something I have been thinking about namely wasn't it McCain's campaign who kept saying not to focus on the identity and charisma of one person (namely Obama) but now they want us to focus on Palin (who is, granted, colorful like an Alaskan version of Ross Perot) and her personality but heaven forbid we talk about issues relating to her personal and political life.
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#10 - Sun Sep 7, 2008 9:55 AM EDT{"commentId":2805293,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}
These are the two best pieces I've read lately about Obama, one old and one new. The new one is here. it's by Mykola. The older one is by Ian Walter.
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#11 - Sun Sep 7, 2008 10:28 AM EDT{"commentId":2808487,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}
A few Palin seeds:
satire about pitbulls mad at Palin about the comparison
why her community organizer argument sucks
and lastly the conversation about down syndrome we could be having because of her son,Trig
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#12 - Sun Sep 7, 2008 4:13 PM EDT{"commentId":3051154,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}
Great column today:
Nicholas Kristoff: The Push to 'Otherize' Obama
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#13 - Mon Sep 22, 2008 10:24 PM EDT{"commentId":3624077,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}
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#14 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 8:13 AM EDT{"commentId":3646653,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}
Great piece by I. on anti-acorn hysteria
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#15 - Thu Oct 23, 2008 7:14 AM EDT{"commentId":3779143,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}
We are discussing Obama's infomercial over here.
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#16 - Thu Oct 30, 2008 6:34 AM EDT{"commentId":4047299,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}
Just added this to my list of phrases to avoid:
Addendum: "I fully support Obama and hope he succeeds but... " (this is often followed by some comment suggesting his admin crashes and burns
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#17 - Thu Nov 13, 2008 10:48 AM EST{"commentId":8582144,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}
I seeded a good piece here about the obama "birth" controversy
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