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Reflecting on the Truth Versus Fiction Debate, Patsy Cline, Augusten Burroughs, Recount and Chistopher Buckley

This graffiti was there when I saw it but I had to photograph. it seems to me a fitting photo. But then I also find the best place to read the newspaper is at a bar so what do I know?

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I have long had a fascination with the age old question of whether truth is stranger than fiction. I've been known to pose this question both to memoirists and novelists.

My favorite answer came from comic crime writer Donald Westlake, who said in an interview with me, "Reality is stranger than fiction because God doesn't have to worry about being plausible."

I'll sometimes hear a crazy news story likethis and think, "This blows my mind. People could not make this stuff up"

Then I'll read, as I did recently, a novel by Colin Harrison that begins with undocumented immigrants killed by being drowned in sewage pumped in their car and think, "Ok, score one for fiction being stranger than truth."

Then there are the memoirists like Augusten Burroughs who say their stories are true but they come across as too crazy to be true and when they settle out of court lawsuits with those who would know the veracity of the story the reader is left wondering whether the line between truth and fiction has become more blurry or murky in recent years or if it's just that this particular reader is paying more attention to the issue.

I've been asking the same questions regarding movies and television as well. Vacelts and I – we're friends so I don't think she minds me mentioning this – have a long-running debate about whether one should be concerned that shows purporting to be reality shows often manipulate what one sees resulting in a bizarre reinterpretation of the word "reality"… or that shows claiming to be live, including American Idol, will sneak in segments that were pre-taped, the phone call-in segment being a big one, according to the New York Times.

This all came to a head when I reviewed a documentary about Patsy Cline. I expect a documentary to be closer to providing the truth about someone, in this case the life of country legend Patsy Cline, than a feature film bio. I think we all know that when we go see Ali, for example, the movie will take some liberties with the truth. As a former journalist I get squeamish about this.

I can understand combining redundant events and I can sort of accept the idea of composite characters. But when entire speeches are composed and then claimed to have been spoken by a real life person who denies making said speech – which is said to occur in the movie Recount, which was shown on Sunday, a movie its makers and actors clamed to be an accurate representation of the presidential recount in 2000 – I get damn right angry. I'd say I boycotted the movie but that'd be a fib since I don't actually get HBO.

Anyway, like many people I saw the movie "Sweet Dreams" which was marketed as being the true story of Patsy Cline. In the movie Cline was abused by her second husband, Charlie Dick. Call me a sucker, call me gullible, but I didn't think a movie would just create a subplot like that out of thin air. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who assumed, from that movie, that Charlie, abused his wife.

About five years ago, my then-girlfriend and I happened to meet Charlie at a West Virginia event honoring the memory of Patsy Cline. His license plate read, if memory serves, Cline's #1.

When it came time to leave the event I realized my car was boxed in by Charlie and so I had to find him and ask him to move his car. I don't think I even bothered to shake his hand because while he was the closest I would ever get to Cline I also believed he had abused Cline. He was gracious and polite.

I recently learned, when doing some research, that there is no evidence of any domestic abuse – the movie supposedly just made up the whole sub-plot.

The documentary in question, Patsy Cline: Remembering Patsy did not mention the controversy over the movie, portraying him instead as a regular loving husband married to an amazing woman. But the movie also skipped over some events and issues which I thought a thorough documentary should cover, such as one about Cline's biggest hit, "Crazy," written by Willie Nelson. It seems that she hated the song initially. An interesting factoid? Maybe. Worth mentioning? I would think so. Now why would that be left out of a documentary, and why would they not delve into the allegations of Always? Probably because the documentary was funded by Cline's widower.

Vacelts and I had a good discussion about all of this in the discussion of my review of the movie

Lately, I keep thinking about the great satirical novels of Christopher Buckley, particularly his latest novel, "Boomsday". Both Boomsday and the more well-known book and movie, Thank You For Smoking, were satirical and yet one reason they were so clever and funny was because they were also disturbing because they got at some real truths. I thought about those things when I reviewed them both.

What I did not expect, though, was to keep seeing real news stories that made me question if life is imitating art or vice versa or what.

Let me give two examples:
1 - In Boomsday the main character works for a public relations firm that has as clients the slimiest characters of the world, and they even have to hide – from the public and the government - some of those relationships. We're talking about, say, doing the marketing for a mass murderer trying to soften his image.

Far fetched? Yes and no. I knew that in theory this happened but I'd never read any news stories about it. So did you see the news in the last few weeks about an adviser for John McCain – Charles Black was his name – having to sever relations with the campaign, when it was revealed that his client list included dictators.

2 – Don't read this one if you are going to read the book, which I strongly encourage you to do.

Ok, still reading? My favorite scene in the book comes when a renegade presidential candidate uses an expletive when insulting the unpopular sitting president during a presidential debate. It's funny not because he uses an obscenity so much as the descriptions of resulting media coverage. It brought to mind how newspapers like the New York Times must have needed chiropractic help after bending over backward to avoid repeating the exact obscenity used by a vice president whose name rhymes with stick feney while still reporting on it.

I thought of that scene when Obama was accused, in this weird flap, of flipping the bird at Hillary during a campaign speech. Personally I don't buy the theory that he was flipping her off but the media coverage of this alleged obscenity was as hilarious and surreal as that of the scene in the book.

(Thanks for reading. I'm considering a sequel where I go into the topic of whether there is such a thing as a "larger truth")

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Maybe there is, as some say, a larger truth at work which makes it ok to fib some. What do you think?

And what do you think – which is stranger truth or fiction?

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Reply#1 - Thu May 29, 2008 12:42 PM EDT
{"commentId":1854756,"authorDomain":"firsty"}

in my review of "the good shepherd", i touched on the difference between the true stories the film referenced and the fictional world of the film itself.

We're actually left to wonder quite a bit about this movie. It seems as if DeNiro is straddling several different films, and that he's not quite sure of how, or not quite able, to commit to one or another methods of storytelling. The editing, and the datelines, and the details, each lend themselves to a docu-drama, but the inaccuracies — mistaken or fictionalized — cause this take on events to ring false. If it were a strict character study, I'd like to have a bit more access to Wilson's internal monologue. If the primary story is supposed to be about the Bay of Pigs leak, the setup is clumsy and empty.

i generally believe that works of fiction, including fictionalized accounts of true events, have a greater responsibility to the work of fiction than to the true story, and all that that implies - its plot arcs, its conflicts, its characterizations, its motivations, its resolutions, etc. i feel that unless a work is a dedicated documentary or non-fiction book, it owes it to its viewers or readers to present a complete and self-sustaining story.

if a person wants to learn about something that happened in real life, it's a mistake to rely on docudramas, fictionalized novels or biographies, or "based-on-true-event" films.

i've read some of burroughs' writing and i find it generally enjoyable. whether it's true or not is secondary.

i think it's a matter of expectations. learning the truth of historical events generally takes quite a bit of research and analysis. if one expects to get the real story in a 100 minute film, they are dramatically overestimating the medium.

i'd like to say that truth is stranger than fiction, but, having read kafka, vonnegut, pynchon, fowles, even up to george saunders, i would have to say that fiction can be much, much stranger than truth.

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Reply#2 - Thu May 29, 2008 2:03 PM EDT
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"expectation" is the key. If you expect Burroughs or James Frey to be accurate you'll be disappointed when facts are questioned. If you just want general entertainment you can get it.

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#2.1 - Thu May 29, 2008 2:20 PM EDT
{"commentId":1858589,"authorDomain":"firsty"}

i just loved the indignation of oprah's attack on james frey. the true problem with frey's book is that it was poorly written. the only reason people liked it was because it pretended to give them a voyeuristic look into a world which fascinated and frightened them. and then they got all up in arms when it turned out that the person they were living vicariously through wasnt being entirely honest.

i believe very strongly that the quality and even the integrity of any work of art is contained entirely within the work itself. a book is a good book if it is well written (and, by "well written," i mean: everything that goes along with the content of the book - its plot, characters, etc). a film is a good film if it is well written, directed, acted and edited. the work's connection to "reality" is secondary at best. we have newspapers, encyclopedias, research studies, industry journals, history texts, etc., to read if we want to learn about facts. but truth - which i think is the point and the goal of all works of art - has just as much to do with interpretation and creative presentation as it has to do with precise descriptions of actual events.

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#2.2 - Fri May 30, 2008 9:56 AM EDT
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firsty
in my review of "the good shepherd", i touched on the difference between the true stories the film referenced and the fictional world of the film itself.

I keep forgetting to get that movie – I'll get it within the month via netfix, I promise.

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#2.3 - Wed Jun 4, 2008 11:55 AM EDT
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having read kafka, vonnegut, pynchon, fowles, even up to george saunders, i would have to say that

truth is much stranger than fiction, it's just a matter of which level of truth you are reporting:-)

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#2.4 - Sun Aug 31, 2008 7:26 PM EDT
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Since writing this i've been seeding weird but true stories - including that one that brought a certain butterflyperson this way - from this site and I gotta say truth is kicking fiction's ASS lately.

Even if you don't look at the really weird stuff who woulda thought we'd have a vp candidate rumored to have nudie photos (shades of miss america/penthouse scandal) and that some of my satire seeds are believed to be true because it's hard to tell anymore what is and isn't true.

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#2.5 - Sun Aug 31, 2008 7:31 PM EDT
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Incidentally
I've been thinking of doing a daily or weekly contest where I post 3-5 stories and you have to guess which one is real.

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#2.6 - Sun Aug 31, 2008 7:34 PM EDT
{"commentId":2673597,"authorDomain":"inghar2004"}

I like that idea as a weekly giggle, Scott. I vote for it.

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    #2.7 - Sun Aug 31, 2008 7:59 PM EDT
    {"commentId":2673648,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

    with all my extra time i'll consider it but not until after my Jamaica trip.

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    #2.8 - Sun Aug 31, 2008 8:03 PM EDT
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    {"commentId":1854793,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

    This was a weird piece, admittedly. I tinkered with it on and off for about a week and couldn't
    quite figure out how to end it. Hopefully it will spark some thoughts from others.

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    Reply#3 - Thu May 29, 2008 2:12 PM EDT
    {"commentId":1856001,"authorDomain":"Emily"}

    Hmmm...interesting piece, Scott.

    I often like reading well-researched historical fiction books. One of my favorite books is "The Memoirs of Cleopatra" by Margaret George. For me, that book transported me back into that time and I felt like I learned about the culture and politics of Egypt as well as the major events of Cleopatra's life. Obviously, the author took liberties with a lot of the dialogue and interaction between Cleo and Caesar and Antony - but if you accept that part of what's presented is the author's interpretation, it's a great read. No one will ever know exactly what happened anyway. She also had some notes at the end of the book about what information was unknown and where she filled in gaps, etc.

    I agree with firsty though - movies about 'historical events' should not be used for educational purposes.

    If I just want raw facts I read a biography.

    As far as what's stranger - my initial reaction is fiction. My mind went to science-fiction, where you can pretty much create any setting and make anything you want happen.

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    Reply#4 - Thu May 29, 2008 6:42 PM EDT
    {"commentId":1858296,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

    Hi, Emily. Good to see you stop by. I think it's easy to say, for example, that one wouldn't show Ali (the movie) to each about Muhammed Ali. Where it gets trickier - and the spark of this piece really - is that I figured a documentary or biography would be more accurate (and thus better for educational purposes) but as the Cline documentary reminded me everything is from someone's pov so it can be equally inaccurate.

    As MC900FootJesus ( a fun electronica band who took its name from an Oral Roberts quote) said in their best song. "Truth is out of style."

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    #4.1 - Fri May 30, 2008 9:07 AM EDT
    {"commentId":1860896,"authorDomain":"Emily"}
    is from someone's pov so it can be equally inaccurate

    very true

    ps. are you going to let me into your review cafe group or what? =)

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    #4.2 - Fri May 30, 2008 3:22 PM EDT
    {"commentId":1861025,"authorDomain":"Wheel"}
    As far as what's stranger - my initial reaction is fiction. My mind went to science-fiction, where you can pretty much create any setting and make anything you want happen.

    Emily, don't confuse fantastic with sci fi. Real, good sci fi writers put a lot of effort into being accurate as possible with their science. Fantasy, dragons and elves and magicians and such aren't really the same thing. Of course, good fantasy writers are true to the rules of their universe whatever they are and both kinds of writer have to use the same tools as other writers.

    I have to agree that life is stranger. That drowning in sewage thing reminds of when the Dave Matthews Band bus driver dumped the sewage tank on a boat load of tourists in Chicago.

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    #4.3 - Fri May 30, 2008 3:38 PM EDT
    {"commentId":1861169,"authorDomain":"Emily"}

    Hmm...I didn't think of writers having to be 'accurate with their science'. That's a good point.

    I guess I was thinking more sci-fi/fantasy where you can create entire different species, make up inventions, new rules of physics, etc

    You're probably right about authors trying to stay true to the rules of the universe they create, but they can still create their own universe to begin with.

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    #4.4 - Fri May 30, 2008 4:01 PM EDT
    {"commentId":1861797,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

    I had a good conversation about a related issue with Marilyn en route to the Vinemeet in Ohio. I was talking about this book about why mysteries have become more accpeted in popular culture and positing my theory that mysteries are great because it allows the writers to explore every possible emotion known to man (and woman)....

    Whereas the great thing about sci-fi, as you note, is the author can construct alternate realities or universes and explore all the good and bad that that can portend.

    Different strokes..

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    #4.5 - Fri May 30, 2008 5:45 PM EDT
    {"commentId":1861927,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

    very true

    ps. are you going to let me into your review cafe group or what? =)

    That depends on whether you let me interview you for a newsvine piece, i.e. "get to know your moderator"

    :)

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    #4.6 - Fri May 30, 2008 6:11 PM EDT
    {"commentId":1863448,"authorDomain":"Emily"}

    ahhh...a haggler, i see.

    fine, twist my arm scott. =)

    email me some questions and i'll see what i can do.

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    #4.7 - Sat May 31, 2008 1:11 AM EDT
    {"commentId":1863957,"authorDomain":"Wheel"}

    Oh, oh, Scott. Measurements, height, hair color and what kind of music does she like? (picture would be good) :)

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    #4.8 - Sat May 31, 2008 7:56 AM EDT
    {"commentId":1864683,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

    I was thinking more along the lines of, what does she like to read when she's not reading Newsvine, does she listen to music or tv (and which programs), what's Calvin and Tom really like, etc.

    Ok, I'll skip that last one because I'm a nice guy.

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    #4.9 - Sat May 31, 2008 11:44 AM EDT
    {"commentId":1867946,"authorDomain":"Emily"}

    I'm more likely to answer Scott's questions....:)

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    #4.10 - Sat May 31, 2008 11:16 PM EDT
    {"commentId":1868279,"authorDomain":"Wheel"}

    ...mine would make better reading. :P

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    #4.11 - Sun Jun 1, 2008 12:31 AM EDT
    {"commentId":1891448,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

    Wheel, and others, feel free to suggest other questions but try to be a little less suggestive, if you can handle that.

    Wheel -

    I have to agree that life is stranger. That drowning in sewage thing reminds of when the Dave Matthews Band bus driver dumped the sewage tank on a boat load of tourists in Chicago.

    Wheel
    Ew! I'd never heard about that. Did they survive?

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      #4.12 - Wed Jun 4, 2008 11:58 AM EDT
      {"commentId":1891569,"authorDomain":"Wheel"}

      yes, they survived. Dave Matthews fired the driver and he was charged with unlawful discharge of sewage or something. He dumped the tank from the bus instead of having it pumped out properly.

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      #4.13 - Wed Jun 4, 2008 12:09 PM EDT
      {"commentId":1899688,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

      Good about them surviving and the driver getting fired.

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      #4.14 - Thu Jun 5, 2008 9:28 AM EDT
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      {"commentId":1856844,"authorDomain":"marilynl"}

      I also worry about the trend of mixing fiction and fact, especially in movies, since they are so memorable. Don't know what else to say about it, except that most of us won't dig in to find the facts after seeing a great film (I loved Sweet Dreams, and had no idea that it played with the truth).

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      Reply#5 - Thu May 29, 2008 11:00 PM EDT
      {"commentId":1861912,"authorDomain":"spookybf"}

      I do not pride myself on my cynical attitude. I always question the veracity of any media, be it bio-pics, autobiographies, text books, newspapers, documenteries or even photographs. We are living in an age of doctored video and photo-shops, of sound bites and vast ( ...left or right wing; you make the call... ) conspiracies. Thanks for the thoughtful essay.

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      #5.1 - Fri May 30, 2008 6:06 PM EDT
      {"commentId":1861942,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}
      Thanks for the thoughtful essay

      You're quite welcome. I'm pleased you found it "thoughtul." It felt like a bunch of disjointed thoughts, but then so does my life sometimes

      I do not pride myself on my cynical attitude

      I call myself a cynical idealist. I hope for the best - i.e. go Obama! - but expect the worst (no, not McCain!)

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      #5.2 - Fri May 30, 2008 6:14 PM EDT
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      #4.11 - Sun Jun 1, 2008 12:31 AM EDT

      Marilyn L
      I also worry about the trend of mixing fiction and fact, especially in movies, since they are so memorable. Don't know what else to say about it, except that most of us won't dig in to find the facts after seeing a great film (I loved Sweet Dreams, and had no idea that it played with the truth). 3 !
      And that's part of the problem I have with, say, a movie like Ali or 13 Days – more people will see the fictional movie than will see any documentary that does a better job of sticking to the facts. So I guess the question becomes – does a director have a responsibility to emphasize accuracy over entertainment? Because I'm thinking most directors would say the answer to that is no or that it depends if accuracy tests well with screenings.

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      #5.3 - Wed Jun 4, 2008 11:59 AM EDT
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      {"commentId":1861803,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

      I offer this story up as argument in favor of truth kicking fiction's butt

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      Reply#6 - Fri May 30, 2008 5:46 PM EDT
      {"commentId":1864759,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

      Here is an example of why writers like David Sedaris drive the journalist in me batty

      Oh and who could make up this crap about Rachel Ray and the scarf? Gotta say truth is kicking fiction's butt right now.

      But then I think of a book like JG Ballard's Crash (not to be confused with the oscar-winning one) or a movie like PI and it gets harder to decide.

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      #6.1 - Sat May 31, 2008 12:05 PM EDT
      {"commentId":1966676,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

      I'm surprised nobody has taken me up on the offer to get a free copy of Sedaris' book (though I'd ask you pay the shipping cost) in exchange for writing a review of the book.

      Details over here.

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        #6.2 - Sat Jun 14, 2008 11:02 AM EDT
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        {"commentId":1899699,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

        I just posted another memoir piece which like this one is less structured than usual. Let me know what you think and also if there are topics you'd like me to try to address or at least consider

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          Reply#7 - Thu Jun 5, 2008 9:29 AM EDT
          {"commentId":1932883,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

          Another issue which I didn't even get into in this piece is the issue of reenactments.

          Erroll Morris is one of the best documentary filmmakers and while he recently got some flak for paying for interviews for his movie about Abu Gharib he's someone I greatly respect.

          He's been doing blogging for the New York Times about reenactments, an issue I care a lot about. I'm one of those critics he refers to who get a little uncomfortable with them. But his explanation is pretty solid and I'm almost convinced he's right.

          I seeded it here

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            Reply#8 - Tue Jun 10, 2008 1:26 PM EDT
            {"commentId":3551350,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

            Yahoo has a list I just seeded here - the 10 most biographically inaccurate movies

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