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Warning: "Recount" Contains Total Fabrications

News Type: Opinion — Seeded on Sun May 25, 2008 11:25 AM EDT
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The link takes you to a good piece on the movie but i have to repeat that it's very frustating when movies purport to show what really happen and then muddy the waters. Do others share this frustration?

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There's an obvious need for compression -- there were two Supreme Court hearings, not one -- in telling the tangled tale of the 36-day Florida court battle that gave the 2000 election to George W. Bush. And dialogue can't be verbatim when there's no way of knowing everything that was said in back rooms. But while dramatic license might support exaggeration, it can hardly justify some of the wholesale creation in which the movie indulges.

The makers of "Recount" tout their reliance on several books about the crisis, and hired as consultants CNN's Jeffrey Toobin, ABC's Jake Tapper, Time's Mark Halperin and David Von Drehle and Newsweek's David Kaplan.

In an interview airing tomorrow on CNN's "Reliable Sources," director Jay Roach tells me of the invented Klain dialogue: "We wanted, as with a lot of moments in the film, to capture the essence of a certain attitude in the Gore team." The movie, he said, "wasn't 100 percent accurate, but it was very true to what went on. . . . That's what dramatizations do: stitch together the big ideas with, sometimes, constructs that have to stand for a larger truth." He cites as an example "All the President's Men," in which Hal Holbrook's Deep Throat tells Robert Redford's Bob Woodward to "follow the money," although the real Throat never used those words.

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Reply#1 - Sun May 25, 2008 11:38 AM EDT
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firsty

an interesting and important article. i'm about 2/3 through "john adams" and am already finding tons of material which was twisted and completely misrepresented in the mini-series. i'm reading it as fast as i can!

but while this article points out inaccuracies in, mostly, the way that warren christopher was portrayed, i would rather it focused on inaccuracies in the historical record. what was most compelling about "recount" wasnt christopher's weakness but the flaws - legal and otherwise - which led to the supreme court appointing bush to the presidency. i can accept that christopher wasnt the naive hack portrayed in the movie, but, one way or another, the democrats completely dropped the ball on the recount. so i do find it believable that the filmmakers were going for a "larger truth."

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Reply#2 - Tue May 27, 2008 12:47 PM EDT
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Scott (Scoop) Butki

FWIW I'm working an article touching on this and other examples of programs where "truth" might not be quite the same as reality.

that christopher wasnt the naive hack portrayed in the movie, but, one way or another, the democrats completely dropped the ball on the recount. so i do find it believable that the filmmakers were going for a "larger truth."

But why stick the words in the mouth of Christopher if he didn't say them?

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#2.1 - Wed May 28, 2008 2:44 PM EDT
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firsty

But why stick the words in the mouth of Christopher if he didn't say them?

i cant answer that - it does seem strange to so blatantly skew a secondary plotline.

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#2.2 - Wed May 28, 2008 6:34 PM EDT
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Scott (Scoop) Butki

I used to be more firm about how stories should stay accurate - now i can see why they have composite characters and this would seem like a better solution, create a composite character have HIM say those words Christopher never said.

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#2.3 - Thu May 29, 2008 9:54 AM EDT
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firsty

i just posted a seed which goes into detail on more of the facts contained in the movie and in the actual event. it doesnt discuss the warren christopher mistakes but it does get to the deeper truths of the movie, putting them in the context of how the 2008 election remains vulnerable to many of the same issues that caused the problem in 2000.

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#2.4 - Thu May 29, 2008 12:00 PM EDT
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Scott (Scoop) Butki

Off to check it out. Thanks.

Oh and did you by chance record it? I'd like to watch it.

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    #2.5 - Fri May 30, 2008 6:20 PM EDT
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    firsty

    Oh and did you by chance record it?

    only on my directv "tivo" thing. i recently bought a new dvd player - if it has a record feature i'll see if i can make one - not sure how that works anymore.

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      #2.6 - Thu Jun 5, 2008 4:27 PM EDT
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      Scott (Scoop) Butki

      Actually it's ok - a couple at my church recorded it and suggested we show it for a future movie discussion at the church. But thanks.

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