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The Dark Vision of 'Blade Runner' Is Clearer Than Ever in 'Final Cut'; A Bleak Future Worth Going Back To

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This is one of my favorite sci-movies ever

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It is strange to step out of the AFI Silver's showing of Ridley Scott's great "Blade Runner" (this edition subtitled "The Final Cut") and into downtown, "new" Silver Spring, where the film has returned by popular demand after a week's run earlier this year. You find yourself on the fracture line between dystopia and utopia. Scott's famously picturesque 1982 portrait of a gloomy future of decadence, drear and squalid hubbub cuts like a knife against the "new"
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Reply#1 - Sun May 11, 2008 1:51 PM EDT
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Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep, which the film was based off, is also a fantastic read. And it spawned this fantastic screen-saver application, too!

No kidding, though, this is a really cool application. Very dark and psychedelic.

Regarding Blade Runner--film noir never met sci-fi in a better way. What a film!

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#1.1 - Mon May 12, 2008 11:03 AM EDT
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It is a favorite of mine as well. I saw it when it opened in a giant old fashioned theatre, and was mesmerised. I have seen it many times since then, and I don't think that I have ever gotten over it.

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Reply#2 - Sun May 11, 2008 2:04 PM EDT
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Ever on Undernet, or freenode.... Look for Dekkard( I know.. the spelling.. etc. etc.) Free voight kamps for everyone.

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Reply#3 - Sun May 11, 2008 2:39 PM EDT
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Hold on, Scott. I'm a bit confused. This review is dated May 4, 2008. I saw the director's cut with the additions mentioned a long time ago - perhaps aside from one scene. Hunter says there have been four versions sent out on the market since the studio cut with the pasted "happy ending". But it sounds to me like he is presenting the twist ending - I believe Scott verified it many years ago - as if it is something new. The same with the dream of the unicorn. Have you Americans been treated to the trite studio cut version all this time?

Another funny thing to a European: Hunter refers to Moebius as

a French comic fantasist calling himself Moebius in a magazine called Heavy Metal

Ha ha? Moebius is sort of a legend on his own, and Heavy Metal easily defining of the taste in comic books for a generation of geeky teens. It's weird to hear Moebius referred to as some weird Frenchman.

Anyway, I read the review, I agree, Blade Runner is the cult movie of the 20th Century.

It's just... Hunter's point, that the theme of the movie is "the tarnishing of all dreams"... I'm not sure he really gets it... I think he has the same problems with it as Harrison Ford. People like the good guy to be good, and the bad guy to be bad, but the point of the film is rather like that statement by Roy Batty:

"Not very sportsmanlike to fire on an unarmed opponent. What's wrong? I thought you were supposed to be good. Aren't you the... good man?

I have heard Harrison Ford hated the movie. I can see why, since he prefers to be the all-American hero. But it's too bad, because his acting was never better. I particularly like the way he acts with his hands - the shot where his broken fingers search for something to hang on to, or where he lowers the gun when he finds Rachel on the bed (come to think of it, it is probably more of a signature of Scott, because he also makes Crowe and Phoenix act with their hands in Gladiator).

Okay, enough geek talk from me. Move on, citizen. Have a better one.

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Reply#4 - Sun May 11, 2008 2:48 PM EDT
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I have heard Harrison Ford hated the movie.

From what I've heard, he was uncomfortable on the set because of Scott's training of Sean Young on set (and the two apparently had little to no chemistry on-set) and hated the editing they had to do to make the movie "work" for the studio (there's the legend that he intentionally tried to suck as much as humanly possible on the voice-overs so that the studios might change their mind), but I don't remember him saying that he "hated" the movie.

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#4.1 - Mon May 12, 2008 2:57 AM EDT
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Have you Americans been treated to the trite studio cut version all this time?

No, a "Director's Cut" came was released in theaters in 1992 then on DVD in 1997. The "Ultimate Collector's Edition" with all available versions of the film come out late last year.

I bought a blu-ray copy of the Final Cut last year, and am waiting for the right time to watch it. I don't know why I haven't popped it in yet. I think I'm waiting for the "perfect day." After seeing the original in a theatre it became my all-over favorite sci-fi film, where it remains today.

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Reply#5 - Sun May 11, 2008 3:44 PM EDT
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Hold on, Scott. I'm a bit confused. This review is dated May 4, 2008. I saw the director's cut with the additions mentioned a long time ago - perhaps aside from one scene.

I think there's been more than one director's cut.

I stood in a long line for this:

No, a "Director's Cut" came was released in theaters in 1992 then on DVD in 1997. The only to find that the major change was a scene was cut as was some narration. I described the experience as being like seeing a movie you already know except with some of it removed and nothing memorable added.

It sounds like for this cut there IS stuff added which changes the meaning of some of the other scenes.

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#5.1 - Sun May 11, 2008 6:21 PM EDT
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Good find, Scott. My two favorite "sci-fi" movies of the past thirty years are Blade Runner and Nic Roeg's very much under-appreciated The Man Who Fell To Earth a remake of which is scheduled for release next year and which undoubtedly will be wretched.

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Reply#6 - Sun May 11, 2008 5:02 PM EDT
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OK, now that is a sad prospect. Remaking The Man Who Fell to Earth without David Bowie is like making a day without sunshine.

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#6.1 - Sun May 11, 2008 5:25 PM EDT
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Good find, Scott. My two favorite "sci-fi" movies of the past thirty years are Blade Runner and Nic Roeg's very much under

Thanks, Bill. It's always fun when we agree on something. This ran in the Post last Sunday
but I've been saving this seed for a slow day when it wouldn't be easily overlooked.

Does Brazil count as sci-fi? If so that's probably my other favorite.

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#6.2 - Sun May 11, 2008 6:23 PM EDT
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Does Brazil count as sci-fi?

I wouldn't see why not. IMHO the problem with the whole genre began with Star Wars and Lucas's special effects which gussied up what is essentially a comic book script and story line and reached its apex with Cameron's Terminator series. The beauty of Blade Runner and the aforementioned Man Who Fell to Earth is that they speak to the human condition generally regardless of their particular setting. And this is what made the original Star Trek so good too and one I forgot to mention, Gattaca.

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#6.3 - Sun May 11, 2008 7:23 PM EDT
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Bang on, Bill. You've neatly captured what I consider to be the difference between real sci fi today (eg, Solaris) and shoot-em up action films that happen to be set in space (Total Recall).

I woulda taken a whole article to do that, curse you....

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#6.4 - Sun May 11, 2008 10:32 PM EDT
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Bill: I agree that Gattaca is frickin' awesome.

Synthesis: I would say that Total Recall is a little more than your basic shoot-em up. The plot had a lot to do with dreams and fantasies--you can look at it either as reality or a dream. Granted, it's more than likely not as intelligent as the aforementioned Solaris, but I think there's some meaty story in there too.

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#6.5 - Mon May 12, 2008 3:01 AM EDT
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Brazil is twisted. Terry Gilliam's other sci-fi piece, Twelve Monkeys, is also quite good...

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#6.6 - Mon May 12, 2008 11:04 AM EDT
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Brazil is twisted. Terry Gilliam's other sci-fi piece, Twelve Monkeys, is also quite good...

Yup. I love both movies.

I remember seeing Brazil at the theater and on the way home asking my best friend, "WTF was that?"
and he was like "I don't know but I loved it!"
I told him I did too.

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#6.7 - Mon May 12, 2008 1:28 PM EDT
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Both movies express a profound sadness about the human condition. Time has, so far, been nicer to Brazil than 12 Monkeys. Brazil displays an eerie resemblance to current reality. Even if Brad Pitt delivers one of his best performances ever, the plot of 12 Monkeys revolves around a premise that seems to be mostly a characteristic of the 90s. Yet, eco-terrorism might flare up and make it relevant again. Let's hope it is just in the projections of the Feds.

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#6.8 - Mon May 12, 2008 2:38 PM EDT
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Yes, but it's not really about eco-terrorism. It's more a commentary on our inability to change the fate of the world, regardless of our intentions. Very dark.

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#6.9 - Mon May 12, 2008 2:54 PM EDT
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Yes, but it's not really about eco-terrorism. It's more a commentary on our inability to change the fate of the world, regardless of our intentions. Very dark.

Great summary of the movie's message

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#6.10 - Fri May 16, 2008 10:33 AM EDT
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I saw the final cut at its world premiere in Sydney last year. I am intimate with the movie - I started the Blade Runner FAQ about 20 years ago - the same document that with the contribution of thousands of others was eventually turned into the film bible "Film Noir" - and I've viewed its various editions hundreds of times. In other words:

WARNING - SPOILERS.

There you have it: Meant as lifesavers, these things have become life-takers. Meant to help, they must be hunted down. They were meant to save humans from doing dirty jobs, but to deal with them, the dirtiest job of all comes into play.

This papers over the entire point of the film. If Hunter was reviewing Dick's book perhaps he'd be not too far off. But in the movie the replicants are humans trying to survive and triumph over their fate. The ordinary earth people have become impersonalized machines, manipulating and murdering at will, slaves living in fear.

Ford's cop moves smoothly between these worlds, as fantasy cops do, able to shoot it out and chase down a violent replicant from an "off-world kick murder squad," whatever that is and it sounds dangerous as hell, and at the same time parry wits with Mr. Tyrell (Joe Turkel) and seduce his young mistress (Young).

There is no evidence in the film that Rachel is Tyrell's mistress. Based on her memory implants she clearly believe she's his niece. It would subvert her worldview and undermine her value to his experiments for Tyrell to commit incest on Rachel.

As for Ford's cop, he is manipulated, implanted with the memories of an implacable, sociopathic killer, and spends the movie experiencing a series of hard ontological jolts. Like Zhora crashing through the plate glass windows, each violent episode changing him, humanizing him. When Batty transmits the seed of humanity to Deckard, the cycle of Deckard's redemption - from hunter to hunted, from slave to rebel, from Judas to Jesus, shows no sign of ever running smooth.

Of course, he's a Nexus-5 as opposed to the four skin-jobs' Nexus-6 classification. Almost, but not quite as good.

This assertion is completely without basis in the film. Deckard is plainly a replicant - but we have no idea what classification he might be. Most likely he is the fifth replicant that was "fried running through an electrical field". After all how else could Batty know his name?

But there is one new scene in the Final Cut that proves Deckard is a replicant. It is not the famous unicorn scene. That scene, first inserted in the Director's Cut, is indeed reshot and greatly improved in the Final Cut. What's telling in the new film is a new shot of Deckard staring in amazement at his broken fingers after using them to cling to a wet girder while climbing the Bradbury building. This is clearly Deckard realizing for the first time that he is a replicant.

Since it is here that Deckard learns this, the final scene of the origami unicorn changes its meaning utterly.

(Edward James Olmos, who, for some reason, speaks frequently in Hungarian)

It's not Hungarian - it's a melange. Translation at http://www.brmovie.com/FAQs/BR_FAQ_Language.htm

He's nothing but a machine. Another grand dream has come to nothing.

Deckard starts as a machine, a "goddamned one man slaughterhouse" - Gaff's origami dick. But at the end of the film he has become a creature of power, intention, innocence and grace - the unicorn. The movie is the story of Deckard's redemption, and at its end he is a free man. As the elevator doors close he is freed even from us.

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Reply#7 - Sun May 11, 2008 6:51 PM EDT
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Peter, wow. What were the odds we'd have so many experts on the movie?
Permit a dumb question:

indeed reshot and greatly improved in the Final Cut. Wha

Both Hunter and you mention this and the question that jumped out at me was this: how do they reshoot a movie scene so many years after the fact?

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#7.1 - Sun May 11, 2008 10:00 PM EDT
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But there is one new scene in the Final Cut that proves Deckard is a replicant. It is not the famous unicorn scene. That scene, first inserted in the Director's Cut, is indeed reshot and greatly improved in the Final Cut. What's telling in the new film is a new shot of Deckard staring in amazement at his broken fingers after using them to cling to a wet girder while climbing the Bradbury building. This is clearly Deckard realizing for the first time that he is a replicant.

Wow! Thanks, Peter, you just blew my mind. This is my favorite sci fi film (as I repeat below), and I've seen it a couple of dozen times (if not nearly as many as you), but and you just pointed out a detail whose significance I never picked up on.

Cool! (and BTW...my 'sushi/cold fish' comment in #8 below is only one of the references in the film that I did take to mean that Deckard was a replicant. Another is Rachael's pointed jab to Deckard when she asks him if he ever passed one of those tests.)

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#7.2 - Sun May 11, 2008 10:57 PM EDT
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SERIOUS SPOILERS below - I mean even if you've watched the film many times - SPOILERS.

how do they reshoot a movie scene so many years after the fact?

The unicorn was an isolated dream sequence with none of the principals in shot. There is another reshot sequence - Zhora's death scene - where an obvious stunt double detracted. This was reshot with the original actress, Joanna Cassidy, 25 years after the rest of the film. It's still not right - despite amazing physical conditioning there's no question Cassidy is older. Still an improvement.

More problematic is the rewriting of one line of dialog. Batty's

I want more life ... @!$%#er.

has been overdubbed

I want more life ... father.

This may not grate on the nerves of new viewers, but fans find it very, very annoying. The only justification I can think of is the possibility of a sequel in which Tyrell also turns out to be a replicant. Scenes of a Tyrell replicant were in the screenplay ... unknown whether any were shot ...

Another is Rachel's pointed jab to Deckard when she asks him if he ever passed one of those tests.

And then there's the red eyes. All replicants got 'em. Even the "expensive" owl. Ever ask yourself why it was expensive?

But if you really want your mind blown check out the cut-scene where Deckard is interviewing Rachel with the VK machine. There is some echoing background dialog. It has the effect of indicating to the viewer that time has passed and several questions have been asked that we're not privy to.

Listen carefully to the echoing background and you'll find it's lifted from the question Deckard asks when he's interviewing Rachel in his apartment later on:

orange body, green legs ...

You've watched the film dozens of times and I'll bet you never noticed that. It's a test designed to evoke an emotional response ...

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#7.3 - Mon May 12, 2008 1:53 AM EDT
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Peter, I love your analysis. I have a question though:

implanted with the memories of an implacable, sociopathic killer,

Where is it said that he has implanted memories of a killer?

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#7.4 - Mon May 12, 2008 3:08 AM EDT
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Well, actions speak louder than words ...

There's a more than superficial resemblance between Deckard and Holden, the Blade Runner we see at the start of the film, and I feel this strongly implies the source of Deckard's implants. The textual prologue of the film sets us up to dehumanize the replicants ourselves:

This was not called execution. It was called retirement.

Most viewers, Hunter included, leave the cinema believing that. But if it's not true then Holden is a sociopathic killer.

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#7.5 - Mon May 12, 2008 3:31 AM EDT
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Peter Merel,

You are quite possibly the only person I have met who can offer a more intricate analysis of Blade Runner than me. Seeing this, I have a question:

What do you make of the faded black and white family photos that Deckard keeps in his apartment. The film is set in Los Angeles, 2019, and Deckard is a middle age man. Unless he keeps rigorous track of his ancestry, the photos of his dear family would have been artificially aged. Simulacrum is a theme in the movie, of course, but what justifies that Deckard would think this peculiar fashion is normal? - unless it is somehow indicated elsewhere that retro is highest fashion among the sad remnants of human population on Earth.

Another question: European movie analysts, academics, often discuss the "rape scene" where Deckard instructs Rachel to act in a sexually enticing/emoting fashion. I have heard it called "the infamous rape scene", but always thought it was a comment on how adolescents explore their rudimentary sexuality, leading to some kind of emotional attachment - as indicated by the scene where Deckard lowers his gun (arguably a post-coital fallic symbolism - it is no longer just sex, but love). I sometimes have Ridley Scott pegged as a feminist (Ripley in Aliens, GI Jane), but I do not know where to place the disturbing "love scene".

More problematic is the rewriting of one line of dialog. Batty's

I want more life ... @!$%#er.

has been overdubbed

I want more life ... father.

This may not grate on the nerves of new viewers, but fans find it very, very annoying.

It's wrong, just wrong - the overdubbing, that is. "@!$%#er" is not just an obscenity, but a profiling of Tyrell and humans in general, their lack of humanity (empathy) as well as their sexuality.

Jared Kardos:

Where is it said that he has implanted memories of a killer?

It's implicit in the initial scenes that establish character that a part of his personal history is that he has served as a chief executioner before ("one man slaughterhouse", "I need your magic"), but you are right - it could be actual "retirements" and not implanted ones.

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#7.6 - Mon May 12, 2008 3:50 AM EDT
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I'm going to have to rent the dvd again now. Thanks for all the info about things to watch for. I've always wanted a good movie discussion here at Newsvine and now the one time I didn't arrange a topic expecting one I got one!

Great discussion!

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#7.7 - Mon May 12, 2008 6:37 AM EDT
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Hi Claus,

Thanks for the kind words. There are many folk who know a lot more about the film than I do. I haven't even seen a copy of the Ultimate Collector's Edition material ... yet. I'll admit that somewhere I have tucked away the original bootleg soundtrack CD from back when Vangelis wouldn't let them publish the soundtrack for real. On the liner notes it reads "replication strictly prohibited" - cute.

I assume Deckard/Holden collected the photos from replicants he retired. Nexus 6's implanted memories were to correct

a strange obsession

I take the strange obsession to imply some kind of pack-rat behaviour in previous Nexus generations. Note that Deckard (minus voice over) appears to actively look for Leon's photos. He has a purpose built image enhancer in his home office for analyzing them. And he keeps Rachel's phony photo with the others - so he's unlikely to think of these as his own family.

I think he thinks of them as part of his job. Or maybe as mementos of his victims.

I don't feel the Deckard/Rachel sex scene is intended to portray a rape, but a necessary power exchange. Rachel initiates physical contact at the piano but then backs off. Deckard requires her to speak what she wants, and she does - she doesn't just repeat his words. Power exchange is a necessary element in sex of all sorts - though certainly here it's clumsy and brutal,

... emotionally inexperienced

If this scene is rape then I feel it's implausible that Deckard and Rachel would speak of love and trust later. Then again you could just interpret this as Rachel having no choice - facing certain death without Deckard's protection. That doesn't ring true to me, but everyone is different.

Deckard lowering his gun - he's still primed with blade running implants. He's not going to kill Rachel, but it's there - the blade runner is still in him.

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#7.8 - Mon May 12, 2008 8:44 AM EDT
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And as a final note, is Joanna Cassidy hot or what!!! I'd give her my serpent day, night or whenever!!

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    #7.9 - Mon May 12, 2008 8:59 AM EDT
    {"commentId":1790754,"authorDomain":"danish"}
    "replication strictly prohibited" - cute.

    Ha ha... good observation.

    As for your "strange obsession" analysis I have to give you (more) credit: Wow. You are better than I thought. It never even struck me, this explanation, but now that you lay it out, I can see you are right: It is collector's items, as well as a part of his (slightly ritualistic) investigation process (I usually refer to the mystical sequence where he goes through the photo in the computer as "the divination scene", as I see it as another hint that Deckard has superhuman intuition).

    Deckard requires her to speak what she wants, and she does - she doesn't just repeat his words.

    Good point. I noticed that too.

    Power exchange is a necessary element in sex of all sorts - though certainly here it's clumsy and brutal,

    Responses vary. Some of the post-modern feminist deconstructionists who have put BR through their image enhancer were appalled by the scene, dubbing it "rape" and "exploitation", while some young people on YouTube commenting on it in a homemade music video confessed that they got turned on by it. It doesn't have any of those effects on me: I simply think it is one of the most original and emotionally charged love scenes in movie history.

    Thanks for responding. Your kung fu is very good. Have you ever taken the Voigt-Kampff test yourself?

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    #7.10 - Mon May 12, 2008 9:42 AM EDT
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    Yep. Says I'm a lesbian.

    Here's a leading question for you, Claus: What is the significance of the chess metaphor in BR?

    @Bill, you'd be surprised what a guy would go through to get a glimpse of a beautiful body.

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    #7.11 - Mon May 12, 2008 9:51 AM EDT
    {"commentId":1791046,"authorDomain":"danish"}
    Here's a leading question for you, Claus: What is the significance of the chess metaphor in BR?

    Hmmm... BBC has this:

    Blade Runner features a game based on Anderssen against Kieseritzky in London in 1851, known to some as the Immortal Game, and 1925's Chess Fever which featured Cuban world champion Jose Raul Capablanca playing a champion.

    Google search Immortal Game:

    The immortal game was a chess game played on 21 June 1851 by Adolf Anderssen and Lionel Kieseritzky. The very bold sacrifices made by Anderssen to finally secure victory have made it one of the most famous chess games of all time. He gives up both rooks and then his queen, checkmating his opponent with his three remaining minor pieces. It has been called an achievement "perhaps unparalleled in chess literature."[1]

    Enhance footnote Themes in Blade Runner:

    It is one of the most literate science fiction films, both thematically — enfolding the philosophy of religion and moral implications of the increasing human mastery of genetic engineering, within the context of classical Greek drama and its notions of hubris[3] — and linguistically, drawing on the poetry of William Blake and the Bible. This is a theme subtly reiterated by the chess game between J. F. Sebastian and Tyrell based on the famous Immortal Game of 1851 symbolizing the struggle against mortality imposed by God.[4][5] (The king and queen are interposed on Tyrell's side, a position which a grandmaster would never attempt).

    "Look at you, you're the prodigal son, you're quite a prize"

    Chess is, of course, an appropriate metaphor, considering Deep Blue and the

    moral implications of the increasing human mastery of genetic engineering

    and even the term "Immortal Game" fits very well to the overarching theme: Longevity.

    "We're no computers, Sebastian. We're physical"

    Good one, Peter. Nice game.

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    #7.12 - Mon May 12, 2008 11:26 AM EDT
    {"commentId":1792618,"authorDomain":"PeterMerel"}

    Yes, but I mean this question more at the level of plot. Deckard and Rachel as black king and queen, Batty and Pris as white king and queen - or should Tyrell be the white queen? What's the best way to map the film onto the Immortal Game for it to be meaningful and then how does the game reflect on the film?

    I have a sneaking suspicion there is and can be no such mapping. The chess boards in the film, after all, match neither themselves nor the Immortal game. But I wonder if you may have come across a deeper analysis in your travels. Since I'm not a chess afficionado I'm reluctant to perform one myself if there's already one out there.

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    #7.13 - Mon May 12, 2008 6:02 PM EDT
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    {"commentId":1789570,"authorDomain":"PrimarySources"}

    Thanks for this, Scott. Like a lot of the others, Blade Runner is my favorite sci fi flick, too...and one of my top five fave films of all time.

    I'm with Claus about the way Ford acts with his hands in this, too...and although as he says it may be more a Ridley Scott signature than a Harrison Ford signature, it was Blade Runner that prompted me to observe that no one can act being beaten up better than Harrison Ford.

    Great film, great soundtrack, and another great cut.

    (I'm just enough of a weirdo to have fully enjoyed every single cut that's been produced, for different reasons. I liked the theatrical release and the first VHS release because unlike most fans, I really appreciated Ford's film-noir voiceover. Even if it is totally unnecessary, it's done very well if you can divorce yourself from Scott's original vision. If you like noir, you should love this voiceover. "Sushi. That's what my wife called me...."

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    Reply#8 - Sun May 11, 2008 8:54 PM EDT
    {"commentId":1789769,"authorDomain":"fayfamily7"}

    I agree, I have enjoyed all the different cuts. Enough so that I have my older children hooked on it also.

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    #8.1 - Sun May 11, 2008 10:21 PM EDT
    {"commentId":1789897,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

    I think I'm going to have to ask people to refer to Scott as Ridley because each time I see Scott I think you mean me and so when I see this, for example:

    from Scott's original vision

    I get all excited until I realize you don't mean me.:)

    I forget what channel is doing it but one of them is picking the best actor in action movies. One of the candidates is Harrison Ford and they show him in Raiders and other movies (though not this one).

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    #8.2 - Sun May 11, 2008 11:11 PM EDT
    {"commentId":1789910,"authorDomain":"PrimarySources"}

    Scott, if it helps, I'm sure your original vision is very noir as well....

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    #8.3 - Sun May 11, 2008 11:15 PM EDT
    {"commentId":1789976,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

    I dream in black and white when I dream with visions at all. More often i dream in script form. If that isn't noir I don't know what is.

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    #8.4 - Sun May 11, 2008 11:38 PM EDT
    {"commentId":1790295,"authorDomain":"danish"}
    I dream in black and white when I dream with visions at all. More often i dream in script form. If that isn't noir I don't know what is.

    I bet you have seen things us people wouldn't believe...

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    #8.5 - Mon May 12, 2008 3:51 AM EDT
    {"commentId":1790440,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

    Yes, I think I have.

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    #8.6 - Mon May 12, 2008 6:39 AM EDT
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    {"commentId":1790032,"authorDomain":"roybatty"}

    I dream of electric sheep.

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    Reply#9 - Mon May 12, 2008 12:01 AM EDT
    {"commentId":1790191,"authorDomain":"PeterMerel"}

    Well at least it's not @!$%#ing unicorns!

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    #9.1 - Mon May 12, 2008 2:03 AM EDT
    {"commentId":1790268,"authorDomain":"darkknightjrk"}

    Or, at worst, literally @!$%#ing unicorns.

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    #9.2 - Mon May 12, 2008 3:11 AM EDT
    {"commentId":1790445,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

    I count electric sheep until I fall asleep.:)

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    #9.3 - Mon May 12, 2008 6:43 AM EDT
    {"commentId":1790650,"authorDomain":"PeterMerel"}

    I keep a bottle of Ubik handy in case of nightmares. Use only as directed.

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    #9.4 - Mon May 12, 2008 8:57 AM EDT
    {"commentId":1816363,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

    Great idea.

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    #9.5 - Sun May 18, 2008 10:11 PM EDT
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    {"commentId":1790183,"authorDomain":"adventurebooks"}

    It may sound simple, but when you are tossing around versions, always check the 'total minutes' on the actual film. The more minutes, the more likely the film is an 'improved' version.

    Last year, AB of Seattle talked Orange Media in New York into sending us Criterion's restored version of 'Robinson Crusoe on Mars'. It was weird sitting down to watch it, knowing it wouldn't be released for three more months.

    If you are a fan of this one, it's definitely worth the money. We did a review of it here at NV. They double-layered it and packed it with extras you wouldn't believe. It ain't Blade Runner, but it ain't bad, either.

    'Criterion's Stunning Restoration of Classic Film 'Robinson Crusoe on Mars'

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    Reply#10 - Mon May 12, 2008 1:55 AM EDT
    {"commentId":1790271,"authorDomain":"darkknightjrk"}

    I loved the Final Cut--I've always been a fan of both sci-fi and noir/mystery, so the blending of the two makes me really happy. :)

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    Reply#11 - Mon May 12, 2008 3:12 AM EDT
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