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Hillary Clinton's Truthiness Problem

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As if Hillary Clinton did not have enough problems we can now add one more - she's making some
of the same mistakes Al Gore made.

Actually, that's a cheap shot and not fair - she's making the same mistakes Al Gore was falsely accused of making.

Remember the stories about Al Gore claiming to invent the Internet? Or how he claimed he found the Love Canal scandal? Much of those stories turned out to be hogwash and not in the way the media reported. No, the hogwash was the media coverage itself - they would pick up one detail or comment Gore made and then distort it to the nth degree and soon there'd be stories claming Al Gore said something Al Gore never said.

If you don't believe me read this excellent retrospective piece in Vanity Fair.

You would think that some would learn a few things from that coverage. What I personally learned from watching the media coverage was that many in the news media like to form a stereotype, a formula, for a candidate and then they focus their reporting on stories that fit that formula at the expense of more important stories that don't fit the formula. Thus we'd have story after story about alleged gaffes instead of, say, stories about substance and policy proposals.

I don't know about you but I'm starting to see it happening again. Only this time I'm not sure the fault can be layed at the feet of the media. Instead, the problem seems to lay with Hillary.

It began with her distortions of the Bosnia trip, as described here and satirized here and here.

That sparked some excellent questions like why the media had not reported on what some knew personally to be a false story. There's nothing news reporters hate more than looking bad. That's one of the points I repeatedly tried to make in Cliff Porter's articles, namely that while some in the news media may have a love affair currently with Obama and give him more positive coverage there's always a downside to those love affairs. That downside being when the media feels spurned and realizes the candidate is not doing what he said he would do. The irony of the Clinton camp complaining about this is that the last person who benefitted from this kind of awestruck coverage was Bill Clinton. The media ate him up and helped secure his rise to the Oval Office and then, when he waffled on issues and didn't come through in ways he promised, that scorn and discord from the now dysfunctional relationship was a factor in their coverage of his future problems. Put simply, what comes up must come down and the media (forgive the generalization) loves to promote people who it wil later turn on. But I digress.

After the Bosna controversy there were reports in the news media of journalists going back to check and recheck other stories Hillary has told and retold, to see if she has fibbed in other ways.

Sure enough today the New York Times reported on the second big get, a story told by Hillary which is not, in fact, correct the way she is telling it.

In the coming days you can expect more and more of this, especially if she doesn't stop and fact check her own stories.

Don't say I didn't warn you. If Hillary gets busted again, she has nobody to blame but herself. For if anyone should have learned anything from Gore's steps and mis-steps you'd think it would be Hillary. But it seems she did not learn that important lesson.

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{"commentId":1659938,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

I think Al Gore got a raw deal by the media and I was quite disturbed by that. I almost felt
the need to apologize to Gore for that when I met him shortly after his election loss

By contrast, Hillary seems to be causing her own problems, repeatedly telling and retelling stories without checking their accuracy. I saw the other day she's even telling jokes discarded by Reagan. This is taking recycling to a whole weird new level.

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Reply#1 - Sat Apr 5, 2008 10:31 PM EDT
{"commentId":1660790,"authorDomain":"RebelGirl"}

I have a close family member who used to work for the Clinton's in Arkansas... he said of the two of them, Hilary is by far the most devious and coniving. She would cut your heart out in a minute and sell it to a charity in the name of good will and never even think twice about it.

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Reply#2 - Sun Apr 6, 2008 10:30 AM EDT
{"commentId":1660948,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

That matches what I've seen and heard, from working in Arkansas. At least with Bill he knew how to be incredibly charming and engaging. The novel Primary Colors did a good job of capturing that. With Hillary you have Bill minus charm plus lots of baggage.

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#2.1 - Sun Apr 6, 2008 11:25 AM EDT
{"commentId":1661338,"authorDomain":"basseq"}

That's been the feeling most people get, even from the television coverage. The woman is a snake-oil salesman, and people really shy away from candidates that leave a bad taste in their mouth before the election.

Compare her to the charismatic Obama (who may be a snake in his own right, but at least he's good at it) and the conclusion is pretty much foregone.

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#2.2 - Sun Apr 6, 2008 2:20 PM EDT
{"commentId":1661582,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

I've been saying for two years - around the time I read Obama's first memoir and became a big supporter of him that he SHOULD be the candidate and president but democrats being democrats they'd screw up and nominate Hillary and she, with all her negatives (and that was before she began lying about Ireland and hospitals and Bosnia), would be unelectable.

So I guess the good news is it looks quite unlikely she'll get the nomination because she shot herself in the foot.

Incidentally I thought about calling this story something along the line of "Boy cries wolf" but couldn't figure out how to translate that. "Presidential candidate cries wolf" just didn't sound right.

or maybe
a pinnochio reference like "Someone check Hillary's Nose - I think it's growing"

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#2.3 - Sun Apr 6, 2008 4:28 PM EDT
{"commentId":1667721,"authorDomain":"vacelts"}
She would cut your heart out in a minute and sell it to a charity in the name of good will and never even think twice about it.

That's always the impression I've had of her. And why I think she makes a rotten role model for women. Women don't have to be cutthroat to be successful.

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#2.4 - Tue Apr 8, 2008 9:51 AM EDT
{"commentId":1668147,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

I confess I wonder how much my heart would go for.

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#2.5 - Tue Apr 8, 2008 11:22 AM EDT
{"commentId":1668391,"authorDomain":"vacelts"}

I can't say that I think hers would go for very much considering its probably smaller and more rotten than the grinch himself.

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#2.6 - Tue Apr 8, 2008 12:22 PM EDT
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{"commentId":1660868,"authorDomain":"yorkark"}

And now there is Penn, who she said she did not know he was lobbing for Columbia for something that she says she is against. She speaks out of both sides of her mouth. This a woman that is self serving and we have had 8 years of that kind of thinking we do not need four more.

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Reply#3 - Sun Apr 6, 2008 10:57 AM EDT
{"commentId":1661764,"authorDomain":"MinnieApolis"}

Truth and truthiness are two different things. And even with 'truth' you run into many levels are variations of it. There is relative truth, limited truth (That's the kind most politicians use, where what they say may be true as far as it goes, but is not the whole story), temporary situation truth, absolute truth, "that depends on what the meaning of is, is" truth.
Hubby Bill was a master of all, a master of getting people to like him which is the core skill of any politician, when you come right down to it. What I only came to realize much later is that as the child of an alcoholic, he will always tend to lie about anything in order to get you to like him. Children of alcohlics tend to be compulsive liars, as they learn to tell some story to cover up the fact that a parent is out of commission because he/she is hungover/passed out on the floor/in jail. And yet I see on a documentary about his Africa projects that one village elder says he has come thru on every promise he has made. So you scratch your head over all that because you never know what someone will follow thru on.
Hillary is a Machiavellian candidate. She has gone behind the scenes to set up the Canadian NAFTA story, she is going behind the scenes to steal superdelegates from Obama, she is trying to get those delegates from Michigan and Florida that are not supposed to be seated and Obama was not even on the Michigan ballot fer cryin' out loud.
On a lighter note -- and I think we are ready for one -- please see the Opus cartoon for today. Opus is visited by his worst anxiety, his 3rd grade librarian with a $32K bill for an overdue "Green Eggs and Ham" when the nice Mrs. McGreeble is first tased and then... but just read it here in Salon magazine.

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Reply#4 - Sun Apr 6, 2008 5:53 PM EDT
{"commentId":1661809,"authorDomain":"LarryH"}

http://blogcritics.org/archives/2008/03/24/134622.php

Darfur

Bill and Chelsea Clinton have been touting Hillary Clinton's commitment to Africa on the campaign trail by telling voters that "Hillary was the first U.S. Senator to call Darfur genocide."

Chelsea talked about her mother's record on Darfur to Stanford University students, saying that she was "really proud that...mom was the first Democratic senator to call Darfur conflict genocide in May of 2004, and put a lot of pressure on the Bush administration to recognize it as genocide."

As it turned out, the first senators who actually called Darfur genocide were Russ Feingold, D-Wisconsin, Mike DeWine, R-Ohio, and Sam Brownback, R-Kansas.

Hillary Clinton's first press statement referring to Darfur as "genocide" wasn't until March 16, 2006.

Some will say Hillary did not lie about Darfur, it was Bill and Chelsea. Yes, but this was a part of her campaign strategy and she never distanced herself from their false statements.

Rwanda

When it comes to the 1994 Rwandan genocide, Bill Clinton claims that Hillary urged him to intervene but he and his administration refused.

The Chicago Tribune writes that, "despite lengthy memoirs by both Clintons and former Secretary of State and UN Ambassador Madeleine Albright, any advice she gave on Rwanda had not been mentioned until her presidential campaign."

Obsidian Wings blog notes that "military intervention was not considered as an option in the case of Rwanda, never even debated, which means that any advocacy [if any] Hillary did engage in must have been pretty ineffective… She not only failed to convince her husband to send troops, but also failed to convince him, for instance, not to advocate the withdrawal of most of the UN peacekeepers" from Rwanda in the midst of the genocide.

It was understandable that the American government wouldn't send the troops to Rwanda shortly after what happened in Somalia. But all they had to do was to provide equipment to the UN troops from African countries ready to go to Rwanda and save a few hundred thousand civilians from being slaughtered.

Instead of lending military equipment to the UN (to whom the United States owed hundreds of millions of dollars in membership fees at the time), the US government decided to lease it for $15 million. The United Nations, fully dependent on its negligent members to pay for missions, did not have the money. The 5,500 additional troops never arrived in Rwanda to intervene.

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Reply#5 - Sun Apr 6, 2008 6:10 PM EDT
{"commentId":1661914,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

And the reports keep coming in. Thanks for the comments, Larry, Sally and Minnie

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#5.1 - Sun Apr 6, 2008 7:00 PM EDT
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{"commentId":1674090,"authorDomain":"MinnieApolis"}

Sounds to me that Hillary has done as much 'mis-remembering history' as she did 'living history'.
Give that woman a bottle of memory pills, quick.

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Reply#6 - Wed Apr 9, 2008 7:26 PM EDT
{"commentId":1676336,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

If only she'd written a memoir or two which could have been thoroughly fact-checked like another candidate did...

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#6.1 - Thu Apr 10, 2008 12:11 PM EDT
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{"commentId":1674713,"authorDomain":"LarryH"}

http://larryh.newsvine.com/_news/2008/04/07/1416837-election-2008-counsel-confirms-hillarys-fraudulent-watergate-brief-clinton-was-fired-for-allegedly-colluding-with-kennedys-to-protect-jfk-legacy-225-pm-eastern-april-07-2008

Franklin Polk backed up major claims by Jerry Zeifman, the general counsel and chief of staff of the House Judiciary Committee who supervised Clinton's work on the Watergate investigation in 1974, reported columnist Dan Calabrese in a column republished by WND.

Zeifman, a lifelong Democrat, called Clinton a "liar" and "an unethical, dishonest lawyer."

He contends Clinton was collaborating with allies of the Kennedys to block revelation of Kennedy-administration activities that made Watergate "look like a day at the beach."

Her brief, Zeifman said, was so fraudulent and ridiculous, she would have been disbarred if she had submitted it to a judge.

Looking back on the case amid Clinton's fierce battle with Sen. Barack Obama for the Democratic presidential nomination, Calabrese sees a picture emerging "of a very ambitious young lawyer who was eager to please her political patrons, and was willing to mislead and undermine established committee staff and senior committee members in order to do so."

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Reply#7 - Wed Apr 9, 2008 11:07 PM EDT
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