
We've talked some about pet peeves but lately I've been thinking about grammar pet peeves.
My biggest grammar pet peeve, as you can see from this photo, is got. I place much of the blame on people saying "got" when they really mean "have" on that damn "Got Milk" ad campaign, which seemed to suggest it's perfectly ok to say "got" instead of have.
My most common grammatical mistake – which might well be someone's major grammar pet peeve – is mixing up "then" and "than." Vincent did a good job here of explaining the difference between the two.
A few tips:
1. Remember to never split an infinitive.
2. The passive voice is to be avoided.
3. Even if a mixed metaphor sings, it should be derailed.
4. Don't never use no double negatives.
5. Verbs have to agree with their subjects
6. Don't overuse exclamation marks!!!!!!11!!11one!one!!11!
7. A preposition is generally a bad thing to end a sentence with.
4. Don't never use no double negatives.
Triple negatives, on the other hand, are quite acceptable.
killfile - i thought you avoided meta-writing. ;)
I admit I often mistype "its" and "it's" even though I fully understand the difference between the two.
Having said that, I'm surprised no one has mentioned "good" and "well."
It's (whew) a bit like nails on the chalkboard for me.
I don't see or hear it too often, but there is a difference between "further" and "farther." "Farther" always refers to physical distance.
That just reminded me of my "between" and "among" peeve.
I don't think this is a grammatical error, but I read it all the time and can't stand it, "what with."
"The Jaguar has all the amenities you'd expect in an English luxury car, what with its leather seats..."
My Pet Peeve is Grammar itself... Sorry....
I suppose I've (I have) developed a *pet peeve* over the misuse of imminent and eminent....ever since the local daily paper incorrectly used eminent in a big, bold, headline. The headline went: War Is Eminent....I was aghast.
Have you ever listened to Neal Boortz?...His lack of enunciating ending letter g's peeves me to absolute bother....What do Lester Holt and Charles Bronson have in common?
I'm a writer and copyeditor, so I have lots of conflicted feelings on these various comments. Purists frustrate me, and I used to be one. I gave it up when I realized that the language is always evolving (whether we like it or not) and that if you want to be an effective communicator, sometimes you have to compromise. I learned that the hard way when I worked at an ad agency.
That said, my biggest pet peeve is when people write "insure" when they mean "ensure." No. 2 is "irregardless." They both drive me crazy.
If you want to become certifiable, watch the CNN crawl for 10 minutes. :*o/
Thinking on this today, my biggest pet peeve is overuse of the word "that."
The word "that" is a pronoun, meaning "the object over there." Ninety nine times out of a hundred, it is an unnecessary word and used to introduce a subordinating clausal phrase. To wit:
On some rare occasions one can use "that" as a subordinating conjunction; however, it can almost always be simply deleted without changing a sentence's meaning.
-J
"...that I want to quit" is not incorrect. The other is just shorter and more informal.
What about "several habits which I want to quit"?
You mean that that that that I just used was incorrect?*
*Which that?
What about "several habits which I want to quit"?
Using "which" turns "I want to quit" into a subordinate clause, changing the semantic intent of what the sentence is conveying.
Saying:
...puts equal meaning on the fact I have habits and I want to quit those habits.
Saying:
...makes I have habits the primary message of the sentence and subordinates the thought I want to quit those habits into a lesser and secondary thought that is not essential to the main meaning of the sentence.
-J
You mean that that that that I just used was incorrect?
Har! My favorite thing to say in Spanish is, "¿Como como? ¡Como como como!" — How do I eat? I eat how I eat.
-J
I'm fixin to stop tracking this thread. It is imminently clear to me that it is a ginormous waste of time. I'd rather reed something informational then to waist thyme jawboning colloquial peccadilloes and anal grad student language preferences. Y'all have fun, now, Y'a here?
Sweep clean, my friend. Sweep clean.
Less/fewer and defuse/diffuse. Amazingly I've seen major newspapers state something like "the conflict was diffused" - really? Sprayed all over the place? - when what they meant was defused, to keep from blowing up. Oh, I hate hyphens, too - and don't get me started on ellipses. . .
A few months ago there was a standoff where some nutter held up a convenience store and took some people hostage. The news lady covering the story said "The police have set up a parameter around the building."
I was so distracted by yelling "PERIMETER!" at the television that I never found out what happened to hostages.
Hey, maybe the building actually needed a parameter. Maybe the architects didn't anticipate how it would be used, and it needed to call more stuff.
(I would have done the same thing.)
I once read (and kept a copy of) a newspaper article that told the account of a man yelling 'epitaphs' at police officers.
In my mind, I heard, "Rest in peace, pig!"
I CAN'T STAND PEOPLE WHO TYPE IN ALL-CAPS IN A PHALLIC ATTEMPT TO MAKE THEIR WORDS "MORE IMPORTANT" BECAUSE THEIR LETTERS ARE BIGGER THAN YOURS. MANY OF THESE IDIOTS ALSO WRITE "RUN-ON" PARAGRAPHS WHICH ARE 12 INCHES LONG, RESULTING IN A COMMENT THAT LOOKS AS THOUGH IT WAS WRITTEN IN THE 18TH CENTURY AS PART OF A THEOLOGIC DIATRIBE. AND IN TRIBUTE TO URBANE GORILLA'S COMMENT -THIS ENDS UP IN A MARATHON PARAGRAPH BEING DIFFUSED ALL OVER THE COLUMN, WHEN IT SHOULD BE DE-FUSED AND DISBURSED IN THE RECYCLE BIN. WHEN I READ COMMENTS LIKE THIS, I AM REMINDED OF A SMALL CHILD ABOUT TO SLIP INTO A CONNIPTION AND WHO IS TRYING TO RUSH IN AS MANY WORDS AS POSSIBLE BEFORE THEY START SCREAMING. IF I TYPE IN ALL CAPS, SURELY NOBODY WILL HAVE THE AUDACITY TO IGNORE OR INTERRUPT MY COMMENT BECAUSE I AM USING BIG LETTERS AS THREATS AND INTIMIDATION. THEY'LL SURELY THINK THAT I AM A LARGE AND ANGRY PERSON WHO IS NOT TO BE TRIFLED WITH. IN REALITY IT COMES ACROSS AS A PERSON WITH A SMALLER BRAIN ATTEMPTING TO COMPENSATE. NOW IF YOU WILL EXCUSE ME, I'M GOING TO THE STORE TO FIND A JAR OF THOSE COLLOQUIAL PECCADILLOES THAT NEWBROOM JUST HAD TO MENTION AND MAKE ME FEEL HUNGRY.
Another of my pet peeves are public speakers who feel the need to fill every second with the sound of their own voice. They seem afraid to pause for fear that they'll lose some sense of "control." This is the source of many insipid fill-in remarks like, uh, and so..., the overuse of the word apparently, insomuch, ....and...., uhyeahyauh, and the many Valley-Girl terms previously mentioned.
Flattered though I am, and, indeed, imitation is the sincerest flattery*; nonetheless, I must, with some hesitation, owing to my fondness for the poster, point out that I do not write run-on mega- (maxi-? ultra-? super-? superduper-?) paragraphs; I write run-on sentences, although I would not call them run-on so much as packed to the gills, vertical rather than horizontal digressions if you will, given that they do indeed represent a cogent thought which you would be, dear reader, hard-pressed to break into smaller sentences without sacrificing the the true sense of these rants - all my long sentences are rants - which is to impart a burst of exasperation expressed as a single exhalation of invective, see?
*Yes, that is correct usage, not "sincerest form of. . ."
Oh, and while I'm at it - use and usage. Not to say that I am not confused by that pair.
And incomplete sentences.
Or ones starting with a conjunction.
ps - peccadillos my ass. you diffused impeccably.
loose & lose
I think I've figured it out. In general internet commentary isn't writing so much as it is speech transcribed. "Meh", "heh", "sh'yeah, right!" and, of course, the execrable w00t, are all attempts to add a tone of voice to our commentary. Instead of using good writing to establish the tone of our comment, we offer the reader a glimpse of - what? - our inner Teleprompter, perhaps. These sound-effect words invite the reader to imagine how we sounded, causing me to wonder if what we then end up reacting to is tone rather than content. Thus are flame wars started or quenched. Likewise emoticons offer a (usually) friendly face to people who don't know much about us. Even at newsvine, the social aspect of the internet informs the exchange of ideas more than in print media.
One way I know this is by looking at my published letters to the editor (NY Times, Chicago Trib, Cleveland Plain Dealer, and a few others). They are short and specific - and they usually took me hours to write. Writing's hard. After reading this thread, even harder - believe me. I went on an assiduous "that" patrol. I whacked away at "also", and merely ask that you forgive me my hyphens.
Here on newsvine, I would say that BlaiseP seems to carry the torch of true writing, and does it so well.
as do most of the Drollhousers - those cats can write.
another thought - I think in general, articles are indeed written, and the discussions are more conversational in tone. It is an interesting challenge - to me, anyway - to write rather than converse back.
Wait, what's wrong with w00t? It was Webster's "word of the year" last year. w00t!
I just don't like it.
d00d, w00t sux0rs! lol! kthxbye!
kthxbye
I believe I pulled those letters in a Scrabble game.
Advice please? I get so confused over periods (waits for lauhal). This is probably a residual effect from being a COBOL programmer where a period always marked the end of a statement and thus followed any quotes, which generally identify data. So, in standard English do they always go inside quotation marks, or only when the marks are for an actual quotation?
Here are some examples:
She said, "see Spot run."
Obvious, right?
But what about:
Did she really say, "I'm gonna get you, sucka!"?
Is that correct?
Lastly -
Biff is an "intern".
{elbow poke}
Do we have a resident grammarian?
Anybody?
I get so confused over periods (waits for lauhal).
lauhal couldn't make it. At least, that's what she said.
Universal American usage places commas and periods inside the quotation marks, regardless of logic.
Apparently this is another difference between American-English and English-English :)
This is a fun article about quotation marks.
Especially the history of it all.
And just why, you may ask, do they belong there? Well, it seems to be the result of historical accident. When type was handset, a period or comma outside of quotation marks at the end of a sentence tended to get knocked out of position, so the printers tucked the little devils inside the quotation marks to keep them safe and out of trouble. But apparently only American printers were more attached to convenience than logic, since British printers continued to risk the misalignment of their periods and commas.
"Where are you at?"
In Chicago the answer is, "I'm by my sister's."
My friend has a ringtone that says this in a loud and annoying voice.
"Where you at?" It cuts right through my ears into my head every time I hear it! ;-P
How about "let me axe you a question?"
On the road looking for typos
Grammar-conscious pals set signs straight
Here's an article that looked relevant to this seed...
Someone out there is doing something about spelling at least...advanced functions like subject-verb agreement and tense we'll leave to the next-gen to solve. Along with the deficit.
When people say things like "more bigger" or when a sign punctuates incorrectly,
e.g. "Denis's barber shop". DRIVES ME NUTS!
-Dave
Actually, the New Yorker magazine would consider Denis's to be correct usage, since they only s' for plural possesive. I belive I would pronounce it "Denis's", too - yup, that's how I pronounce it.
And in an attempt to write my most obnoxious post of all...
I jest hate it when youse peoples' aint got no sense tall and don spell kerectly. My gawd peple! Horsed on Phoenix is out der fer ya'll to utilize, use and usage. And yer usage, utilization and usageness of apostrophes' is' atroc'ious' ain't no body never heard of not using no double negatives nowhere? Fer instance, when you're on the parameter of a nucular facilitage trying to werk out the perimeters of your anti nucular argument, ya defuse yer hole argument by not spelling right and they don't even let you in the place - make you sit out on the parameter. I feel I can gooder present my ideals if I say that I represent the misuse of conjunkshuns! They got that Conjunkshun Junkshun fer yall to watch. We're just too fast and lose in the utilization of loose and lose - maybe they oughta make it one word - luce, then none of us could loose.
Those colloquial peccadilloes gave me a massive case of heartburn. I am going to have to take to, too or two of those Tums. I don't know whether I through up or went threw some sort of epiphany, but rest assured I'll clean up after myself afterwords AND afterwards. I can insure you all that ensurance is getting way too expensive for most folks and them peccadilloes probably have something to do with it.
Oh well...I guess I can....JUST GET PISSED OFF AND GO BACK TO TYPING IN ALL CAPS ALL THE TIME.
Or apparently, I can over use the word apparent for no apparent reason to apparently offend the entire NV community. Insomuch and bytheway.
I find myself prefacing my pearls of wisdom with nonetheless entirely to often. Nonetheless, I find it useful.
entirely to often
Entirely TOO often.
-Dave
I was just thinking about how I needed to post "to and too" as pet peeve :)
That is more of a typing problem - I'm sure I intended "too"; if I type a double letter tooo quickly it doesn't register.
I just read an article in the latest Wired magazine about a new gender neutral pronoun: yo. First heard in Baltimore schools, it has now been written about by excited linguists enough that they are effectively promoting its usage. Example: "Yo is a clown" meaning he/she is a clown. I wonder if it will catch on? It might lead to tragedies like "That's what yo said!".
So then...would it be....
Yo've gotta be kidding?
yo ho! yo, ho?
Yikes. Way too many peeves. Guess I'll add mine to the mix. Everybody's going to hate me.
My biggest peeve about grammar is people who criticize other people's grammar. Just seems a little elitist to me.
My Biggest grammar pet peeve is when people look more at grammar than content..maybe that's a control thing IDK.
I capitalized biggest because I switch back and forth from newsvine to work where I am required under penalty of death to capitalize the first letter of each word. lol...that you will have to live with it slips through,,,
acronyms
I like them seams like you got a handle on it... how about I'm definitely kinky.........
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