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Pondering the Power of Suggestion: An Experiment

Wed Mar 12, 2008 1:52 PM EDT
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By Scott (Scoop) Butki
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I have been thinking lately about the power of suggestion, particularly modeling and mirroring. It's a topic that comes up often in my life though mostly subconsciously which, to me, makes it even more interesting.

In this first article I'm going to explain some of what I mean and then I'm going to ask you, the readers, to help me with a social experiment. That will lead us into the second part of this two-part article.

When I hear the phrase "the power of suggestion" I think of magic because, really, isn't that what a lot of magic tricks are? You are encouraged to believe one thing, through smooth words and/or actions by the magician, which leads you to miss the trick. (Personally, I've mastered the magic trick of making food disappear, which KILLS with the elementary school crowd).

But I'm talking here more about those suggestions that occur more in everyday life. I'm sure the following has happened to everyone here who is a parent, whereas it happens to me often when I'm working with special needs adults:

You're driving along and you have a plan, maybe one you've already discussed, about what you're going to do later and where you are going to eat, but then you approach a McDonalds and suddenly you're treated as if you're the worst parent in the world if you don't take them immediately to go eat at McDonalds. The book Fast Food Nation does an excellent job of explaining how McDonalds and other fast food companies market their food to kids in such a way as to make life and decisions more difficult for adults.

The McDonalds example is pretty overt – I mean everyone would expect that when you pass McDonalds you think McDonalds. But then there are the more subtle powers of suggestion that are harder to catch. Let's say that you are at the mall and suddenly your child has an intense desire to go eat somewhere and you have no idea what happened as you did not pass by that business or even a sign for it. However, maybe you passed someone holding a drink from that business and the child immediately remembered past pleasures of eating there and/or the great marketing for the place and voila, the intense desire to go there. It's all about connections, those intentional and those unintended.

I'll never forget one day watching television with one adult who, like most adults I work with, is mentally retarded. In his case – heck in the cases of many of these people I work with – there is much less of what I'd call media literacy, namely the ability to separate the fiction of marketing and commercials from the reality. Thus this guy watched infomercials and treated them like they were documentaries and so all he could talk about for more than two years – not to mention his Christmas present wish – was the exercise equipment used, as the ads said, by Chuck Norris and Wesley Snipes. To question whether the product was as essential as the ad suggested was, to him, to question if Chuck Norris was really a tough guy.

Anyway one day I counted and he changed his mind five times about where he wanted to go eat dinner. Those five switches occurred during a two or three-hour period with all five products mentioned during the television programs we were watching, some through commercials and some with just an announcer mentioning a business sponsoring the program. So it became "let's go eat at Taco Bell" followed a few minutes later by "let's go to McDonalds. I deserve a break today." Not only did he often repeat the same phrasing as in the commercial when talking about it but he'd appear surprised when I'd remind him that just ten minutes before he could only imagine enjoying one thing that night and that was pizza (Pizza Hut ad.)

I consider modeling and mirroring two types of the power of suggestion. Modeling – by which I mean how you behave as opposed to the stuff on Project Runway – is not just how one acts but, more importantly, how you want others to act. For example, when you tell your kids not to cuss but they hear you saying the f bomb on the phone you're doing a poor job of modeling and have only yourself to blame when they later cuss too. Maybe you think it's funny and cute when your kid says fire truck wrong (replacing the tr with a f) but you are a) encouraging him to do it more and b) setting yourself up to be embarrassed when, at some point, he'll say it at the wrong time and place (i.e. when talking to a firefighter.)

I ran into modeling a lot when I was student teaching. It was not enough to tell students what you wanted them to do but often I learned, through my mentor teacher, that it was also often essential to model what I wanted them to do. As a journalist-turned-educator, it took a while to get used to the idea that I couldn't just tell the students to write a paper explaining how they think the nation could be improved, but that in addition to talking about it and helping them think on this topic, I needed to have them see me writing a paper myself.

Often my own modeling outside of work isn't even conscious, which I'm sure parents can also attest to is often the case. You might be just minding your own business when suddenly you notice someone watching you and then copying in some form your own actions. This is what has been called mirroring.

I mentioned my own favorite example of this over at Firsty's great piece about getting children to read. I was meeting my niece, who was, at the time, about 2.:

I sat, as I often do, with one leg crossed over the other, and was reading a news magazine.
So she did the same. Well, first she went into room and grabbed something.
Then she sat down, crossed her tiny legs just like mine and picked up a magazine and began to also "read" it. It was the PBS guide and if it wasn't impressive enough that she could read it then surely the fact she was reading it upside down made it all the more amazing.

Since I'm often reading or writing it isn't surprising that a child or adult will think that maybe they too should be doing more reading and writing. I make a point, for example, of always encouraging kids and adults to read more – not just saying that but sitting down and reading a story with a child whenever they want. If that switches from modeling to mirroring at some point that makes me even happier.

Mirroring is the most interesting part of this equation and it is also the part where I'm going to ask you guys to do an experiment. I have been doing mirroring when working with kids for years before I even knew what it was called. There are two parts to mirroring: mirroring someone else in hopes of a response or change and being the unwitting mirror.

The former is one I see in education, especially with discipline problems. Let's say you're a mature adult (Yeah, I know, that might be a stretch but work with me here) and you're trying to have a conversation with a teenager. Odds are good he'll give you grief both verbally and through body language. Here's what you do: Copy their body language. If, for example, that person has their arms crossed then do the same thing.

One of two things will usually happen: Either that person will notice what you're doing – which often depends on how aware they are of the situation as well as how angry they are – or they won't. In the former case you can just use their inevitable question ("Why are you copying me?) to turn the conversation into unfamiliar territory. Instead of going over the usual argument you can then try a new tact: "I was just wondering what you would think if someone you were talking to gave you this body language saying you don't want to listen," or something less confrontational like, "I'm trying to understand your position better and thought I'd also try to understand where you're coming from. Are you really comfortable standing like that?"

If they don't notice you're mirroring them that's when things get really interesting because after you mirror their body language, such as how they are sitting and standing, then you can try to use, yes, the power of suggestion. If you're both standing there, for example, with arms crossed then slowly uncross your arms and they, often without noticing, will start mirroring you and uncross their arms too. You've gone from mirroring to modeling without them picking up on it and you can then help them relax. Try this: Take a deep breath and they will probably do the same. Take actions to help relax you both because they will, at least temporarily, do what you're doing. Some might find the whole thing funny which also does wonders to relieve situations and problems.

Ready for your experiment?
Try both parts:

1)Mirror someone else when you're trying to diffuse a situation. Copy their body language. See if you can use mirroring to improve and relax the situation. Report back on your findings.

2)Mirroring doesn't have to be just about conflict and conflict resolution. It can often be about things that are much less important. Try this then: next time you're out drinking or eating with a group of people pay attention to when people drink. Wait until a moment when nobody has picked up their glass and then go ahead and take a drink. Now watch – casually – and I'll bet you that at least one other person will follow your lead and also take a drink. That will spark another person to grab a drink. Then someone two tables away will choose that exact second to take a drink. Is this modeling and mirroring or just random events that appear to have a pattern? Try it out and report back.

I notice it all the time at restaurants but you see it too at parties when someone pulls out a cigarette and suddenly three others choose that moment to do the same. It's kind of freaky – oh my god my actions affect others – but it's also, to me at least, fascinating.

I work with one guy who is diabetic and doesn't like to drink water. I buy him water and drink my iced tea and while he'll say he doesn't want to drink water each time I drink he will too. It works quite well. Now if I can just teach him to stop trying to cheat when we play Uno….

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Scott (Scoop) Butki

Just don't get all Manchurian Candidate on me and use these powers for evil. For now let's just use these new found powers for good. For now. (insert evil cackle here)

This story has been germinating since the holidays when I was more aware of modeling and mirroring with my nieces. I also tried the drinking experiment on an airplane and in airplane terminals and it worked wonders. This week I got off my butt and decided it was time to stop being such a slacker and write this up.

  • 3 votes
Reply#1 - Wed Mar 12, 2008 1:53 PM EDT
RebelGirl

Scott... this actually reminds me of a couple of The Office episode. Jim dresses like Dwight and comes into work and completes all the same morning rituals, talks like him, etc...

The second one is that he sends him an email everyday and then gives him a mint after the bell warning of the email goes off, then he gives him the mint. After a week or so of this he starts sending emails and Dwight starts randomly salvating for the mint.

In seriousness, I think we do this subtly every day, with our kids, co-workers and even our friends, sometimes its planned, other times it is not.

I will try this and report back on the results... great article as always.

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#1.1 - Fri Mar 14, 2008 9:45 AM EDT
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Jared Kardos

Interesting...I'll definately have to try this out.

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Reply#2 - Wed Mar 12, 2008 2:53 PM EDT
Scott (Scoop) Butki

Don't forget to report back on how it goes.

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#2.1 - Thu Mar 13, 2008 12:30 PM EDT
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vacelts

I'm going on tonight for Ladies Night, I'll have to try this out and report back.

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Reply#3 - Wed Mar 12, 2008 3:01 PM EDT
vacelts

I failed miserably. The restaurant exercise is actually harder than it sounds. It requires you to concentrate (when to drink and if they are mirroring). Needless to say I had a hard time or maybe I just talk too much.

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#3.1 - Thu Mar 13, 2008 3:18 PM EDT
Scott (Scoop) Butki

I failed miserably. The restaurant exercise is actually harder than it sounds. It requires you to concentrate (when to drink and if they are mirroring). Needless to say I had a hard time or maybe I just talk too much.

Ok next time try it not at a bar but at a coffee place.
:)

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#3.2 - Fri Mar 14, 2008 1:03 PM EDT
vacelts

try it not at a bar

I didn't say I was too drunk to make it work. ;-)

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#3.3 - Fri Mar 14, 2008 1:05 PM EDT
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Scott (Scoop) Butki

One particular occasion sparked me to write this when I did. But I can't really explain publicly what it was. If you drop me an email I'll tell you, though.

    Reply#4 - Thu Mar 13, 2008 12:46 PM EDT
    Scott (Scoop) Butki

    Another examples of this:
    when one person on an airplane gets up to go to the bathroom suddenly five others realize they too need to go and suddenly there's a traffic jam in the aisles. For the prior ten minutse nobody had to go but as soon as they saw him they all realized they needed to go too.

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    Reply#5 - Fri Mar 14, 2008 1:04 PM EDT
    SteveHouse

    That sounds like elementary school to me!

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    #5.1 - Fri Mar 14, 2008 1:55 PM EDT
    Scott (Scoop) Butki

    It does - I think every time i've subbed in any grade I've gotten the "i want to go get a drink" request from one student and if you're dumb enough to say "sure" then 20 others will also want to go - but this happens to adults too.

    Seriously watch next time you're on an airplane and see if I'm not correct on this count.

      #5.2 - Fri Mar 14, 2008 11:19 PM EDT
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      SteveHouse

      The book Fast Food Nation does an excellent job of explaining how McDonalds and other fast food companies market their food to kids in such a way as to make life and decisions more difficult for adults.

      Did that part disturb you deeply, too?

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      Reply#6 - Fri Mar 14, 2008 1:56 PM EDT
      Scott (Scoop) Butki

      Very much so. Enough to make me boycott that joint for a few years until I couldn't get around the fact that the special needs population, like kids, fall for McDonalds marketing and name it as their favorite place to eat.

      It's one thing for McDonalds to market well - its another to use questionable practices to get kids addicted to their food.

      Also powerful and disturbing is a version of the book re-written for kids and teens called Chew on This. I interviewed the co-author about it.

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      #6.1 - Fri Mar 14, 2008 2:36 PM EDT
      SteveHouse

      I've boycotted the place for the past two years myself. High-five!

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      #6.2 - Fri Mar 14, 2008 2:41 PM EDT
      Scott (Scoop) Butki

      High five back at you. Funny you mention the high five because I give high fives to kids and adults when pleased with their behavior but hte guy I'm going to work with tonite is autistic and, as such, has certain fascinations. So when I give him a high five he'll grab and smell my hand which sort of takes the high five in a very different direction.

      I forget if it was in my supersize me review, my chew on this interview or my fast food nation review but in there I tell a story about being forced, by circumstances beyond my control, to be at a McDonalds while still boycotting it. I ended up leaving a copy of Fast Food Nation there and wrote a few comments on napkins.

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      #6.3 - Fri Mar 14, 2008 3:23 PM EDT
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      Scott (Scoop) Butki

      Two more you can try: When in an elevator, look up and wait a few seconds before you look back down. Watch as others do the same.

      When in a line, such as at the post office, but turn and look in an odd direction and then smile. Watch as others do the same.

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      Reply#7 - Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:32 AM EDT
      vacelts

      Scott, we really need to find you a new hobby. :-)

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      #7.1 - Thu Mar 20, 2008 12:43 AM EDT
      Scott (Scoop) Butki

      We could do that but would it be as much fun?

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      #7.2 - Sat Mar 22, 2008 8:04 AM EDT
      vacelts

      So true.

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      #7.3 - Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:09 PM EDT
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      firsty

      oh no i'm having flashbacks to college and not the good kind - the kind where i remember being in class.

      i could have used this refresher 2 weeks ago when i had some conflict resolution issues at work. i tried to use the jedi mind trick but it didnt work at the time.

      the most common time for me to use modeling is when i'm on the phone with someone i dont want to be talking to, or it is simply time to go. many people use the same technique, starting to talk in lifting tones, demanding an answer that isnt there, causing the "flight response" to indicate to the unwanted caller that it's time to go, or sort of trailing off in midsentence, expressing that my thoughts are elsewhere and need to be attended to. this often, you know...works, so...i gotta run, so...

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      Reply#8 - Mon Mar 24, 2008 4:43 PM EDT
      Scott (Scoop) ButkiRestored

      Yeah, the Jedi Mind Trick is good in theory but I've not seen it executed so easily.

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      #8.1 - Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:11 PM EDT
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      Scott (Scoop) Butki

      Time for some of you to report back on how this went for you when you tried it others.

        Reply#9 - Sun Apr 27, 2008 9:18 PM EDT
        MinnieApolis

        What I have noticed more than once is that sometimes I will be the only person to start perusing items in a cart at the mall, say, or a booth at State Fair or other festival. Probably within five minutes some other people will start looking at the merchandise also.
        This is probably why some stores use shills or floorwalkers or other people to just be physically in the store -- to draw traffic.
        Have not ever thought to try any of these techniques. Usually I am the one on the end of conversation-terminating tactics, or actually being ignored like I'm invisible. A fraction of the time, I will be the one who really really wants the other person to go away, and not bother me again ever.
        How do I get rid of someone? One person has been impervious to being ignored, and if I ever am on the receiving end of that person's attentions again, I will have to tell that person to shut up and go away.
        You are getting to be the master, aren't you? You could be scary if you were evil.

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        Reply#10 - Sat May 24, 2008 7:40 PM EDT
        Scott (Scoop) Butki

        Ah, the shill.That's like having a plant in the audience, whether to ask a question or be sure to laugh or applaud. One is more likely to cheer or laugh or applaud if they see others doing it first. I haven't really made that connection before but it certainly makes sense.

        I'm reminded of one time I was at South by Southwest in Austin and I saw some very clever power of suggestion trickery going on. It was a free show - in someon' back yard - for a then up and coming alt-country singer (albeit from Australia) named Kasey Chamber. While enjoying her performance I was nudged by a guy nearby who offered me one of a handful of free promotional cds. Free music? Very cool. Most people smiled more broadly, applauded more strongly and put the cds in their pockets. Not our curious reporter. I watched as this guy blended into the audience and then watched with astonishment as another guy popped up elsewhere in the crowd and also only handed out a few cds. I think the trick was to make it appear there were only a limited number of free cds when the reality is I think everyone - or almost everyone - was eventually offered the free cd.

        Needless to say her show got lots of good feedback and buzz and with some clever marketing people how could she not?

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        #10.1 - Sun May 25, 2008 9:45 PM EDT
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        Scott (Scoop) Butki

        How do I get rid of someone? One person has been impervious to being ignored, and if I ever am on the receiving end of that person's attentions again, I will have to tell that person to shut up and go away.

        Sadly while I can teach people the power, value and importance of listening unfortunately some seem to have been born minus the gene that shows them that you can learn more - such as whether, say, the
        person you are talking to would prefer you go jump into a lake - by listening than by talking. I've my share of people who don't take the hint and sometimes you do have to be brutally blunt

        You are getting to be the master, aren't you? You could be scary if you were evil.

        Don't tempt me. The dark side sometimes seems like more fun.

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        Reply#11 - Sun May 25, 2008 10:02 PM EDT
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        L -882003

        I was wondering if I mirrored someone sucessfully, would I theoretically be able to suggest positive things about myself?

        For example, if someone is thinking quite negatively of me, could I turn that around?

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        Reply#13 - Wed Feb 11, 2009 8:38 PM EST
        Scott (Scoop) Butki

        Excellent question, L. Can you be more specific? I'm not sure if i get what you mean.

        let me give a scenario:

        student is mad and always yelling at a teacher. You yell something back (note to readers: don't do this - you could get fired)

        student: why are you yelling at me?

        you: i'm doing what you are.

        student: oh.

        perhaps - just perhaps - the student may realize there's a reason why they consider you short with them namely they keep yelling at you.

          #13.1 - Sun Feb 15, 2009 6:57 PM EST
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          Scott (Scoop) Butki

          I have been thinking about this piece a lot because a teenager with severe autism that I'm working with.. i'm volunteering my time to help work with him 1 on 1 and the approach the family is using involves mirroring or joining him in his activities.. .so this piece was a good precursor to that work.

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          Reply#16 - Sat Apr 25, 2009 2:29 PM EDT
          Scott (Scoop) Butki

          This is one of my favorite pieces because it (the power of suggestion) can be used - or noticed - in so many ways. One way I've seen it, noticed it really, lately is at work. If I'm drinking something then another resident suddenly wants one too, if one takes a shower the other wants one right away too

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          Reply#17 - Mon May 2, 2011 11:13 PM EDT
          icegal

          mirror, mirror, on the wall.....

          :)

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          Reply#18 - Tue May 3, 2011 10:05 AM EDT
          Scott (Scoop) Butki

          i'm the prettiest of them all?

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          #18.1 - Tue May 3, 2011 1:07 PM EDT
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