
I have a confession to make: I watched Fox's Moment of Truth last night. I detest the program but I felt the need to watch the special and watch a married couple's life be potentially destroyed by her answers about being in love still with an ex-boyfriend, that she felt he (the ex) is the one she wish she could have married and that she has had sex with him after she got married.
I wanted to see how far they would take this deplorable show and now I worry whether the husband should be put on suicide watch. It's just a matter of time until shows like this lead to someone killing themselves or others. By the time the credits came on I felt like I needed to take a shower and wanted to give the host, a blowhard speaking of how some truths should maybe not be shared, a taste of his own medicine.
There, I admitted it. I'm not proud – very not proud – but I admit it: I watched this program. I helped its ratings and thus its success. Sigh. I think I'm going to go puke.
Shows like this that push the edge are, for me at least, both repulsive yet boy do they pull you in. I still think we're not too far from the day when someone will be executed live on tv and it'll get huge ratings. As an opponent of capital punishment I wonder if people would reject it if they saw how imperfect it is as a solution I can't decide if I find that concept despicable or the perfect medicine for this sick nation.
I also don't think we are far from the day when someone will torture another as people watch. Essentially we're coming closer and closer to proving the Stanley Milgram Experiments correct that people will, in the right conditions, torture another person. The documentary Enron: The Smartest Guys In The Room, not to mention reality shows of this type, also provided demonstration that we're nearing that point, where people will hurt others because they are told to or because they consider it the right thing to do.
So there's my dirty confession.
Let's hear your confessions, what are your guilty pleasures? Do you watch My Dad Can Beat Up Your Dad, which I think would be better titled 'my dad's genitals is bigger than your dad's genitals"?
I try very hard not to watch any TV where the object of the show is just to see how stupid people can be. I have a low enough opinion already.
I do like watching anime TV even though I'm many times a grandfather. I like the different stories and love some of the art.
I'm 52 and I also very much enjoy some of the better Anime. GHOST IN THE SHELL, AKIRA and HOWL'S MOVING CASTLE are a few of the classics (although the last one was a little too cutesy for me).
Most recently seen: PAPRIKA.
Make Me a Supermodel and Gossip Girl. CSI Miami is also a pretty guilty pleasure of mine.
Eh, it's not so much the appearance that I watch for with Make Me a Supermodel or Project Runway, but the challenges they have to face and the cattiness :) MMAS puts the contestants through quite a tough battery of challenges, some is about looks, other parts are surprisingly more about attitude and ability, like walking the runway, which takes skill, strangely enough.
in one of his richard bachman stories, stephen king wrote about what he saw back in the early 80s (the book was published in 1982) as the potential culmination of television's ability to access the most depraved human curiosity. in 1987, it became a movie starring ahnold. "the running man" was about a game show that featured a lottery-based chase to the death. if you won the lottery, you won the chance to be chased until you were killed.
man, i watched that show last nite too, in between watching the sabres crumble against the goddamn mother@!$%#ing philadelphia flyers. there was a justice to that game, which saw the sabres lose a 3-0 lead, and possibly the last playoff spot only one year after logging the best record in the league, to their rivals, who beat them using the sabres 2007 hero, daniel briere, to score the winning goal in the shootout.
i'm not sure who the winner was in last nite's "moment of truth." maybe it was truth. the contestant was no ethical hero, it seems. the leadup to the catastrophe was obvious. she never lies to anyone about the quality of their hairstyle, but she keeps her father's secrets from her mother. maybe that was why only her father responded to the question, "are you proud of your daughter?"
look, i'm as empathetic as the next guy, but that girl didnt ruin her life last nite. she is obviously a materialistic snob — the kind who marries because she wants to make a point and who has never gotten over the fact that, even with tons of makeup, she'll still never be the pretty sister. i dont buy for a second that her or her husband was unprepared for those questions or those answers. come on. they only ask a limited number of questions in the setup interview — it would take a moron not to realize which questions are going to be asked if the contestant expects foxtv to hand over huge wads of cash in exchange for high drama.
i couldnt watch the last 5 minutes. maybe that was my moment of truth, my limit. or maybe i wanted to find a more familiar suffering — the 3rd period was about to start, after all. but, yeah — thats my guilty pleasure, stupid game shows.
I'm not sure what makes me more angry, the show's host, the participants, that we watch it.
the most telling moment of truth for the series was when that one contestant answered immediately, before the robot had its chance to build tension, about whether or not he ever viewed pornography without his wife's knowing. this thing is scripted as much as possible.
i dont know - i cant say if their reactions were true or not. i have no idea how i'd behave in that situation, but i'm pretty sure that if i were a contestant on the show, regardless of what they made me sign, i'd be talking to my spouse about every single question they asked me in the interview, and what each of my answers was. these people are dupes if they are surprised by the questions, i think.
i agree that these shows show people in the worst possible moments — moments that should be private. thats the appeal i guess. it seems like the show really set this girl up to lose, and based on that last question, i think i'm done with the show. i honestly dont get the logistics of it. i dont get how these people can not be prepared for those questions, and i dont get how the show can justify basing its decisions on a lie-detector test. it seems that both parties can rig the outcome, which means that the show ultimately rigs it, which means i think i'm done. watching people squirm can be interesting. watching people's lives ruined, even if they are dumb enough to allow it, crosses the line for me. except if those lives are the lives of professional or collegiate athletes, i guess. hey, we all need our relative morality.
Unless they asked 1,000 questions - and even then you'd think the spouse would recall the most personal - the spouse should be able to notice which ones might be most embarrassing and then tell the family about it.
they mention the number of initial questions asked, and it's only maybe something like 2-3-4 times the number of questions they face on the show - somewhere in that range — a number easily dealt with, at least from a "these are the worst of them" standpoint.
Maybe there's a clause, like with Jeopardy (a copy editor friend won it a few days last year) where if you tell your family anything you could lose all your money... but still.
Also, what about the fact it's possible to beat a lie detector test? Who's to say how reliable this machine/game is?
my points exactly. clause or no, screw em. they're going to steal your money by lying about your lie detector results anyway.
What are your guilty pleasures, Firsty?
this show was, definitely. and i watched more than you did! — i watched a few episodes when they were airing at 9pm instead of last nite's 8pm slot, because i needed something to fill in the 30 minutes before "in treatment" on hbo, which is actually becoming almost good. it started out pretty wobbly, but it's gaining steam.
shows that i might feel guilty about watching include "the soup," that other hbo show about psychology but with more porn, "american idol," which holds my attention in varying degrees depending on how interesting the remaining contestants are, and other various reality shows that dont turn my stomach - i watched one of those mommy-switching shows until i couldnt take it anymore, same goes for "the simple life," and i did watch every episode of "kid nation," but that was because my kids were into it. of course, i'm the one who put it on for them, so i'm to blame for that as well.
Moment of Truth really is deplorable. I almost got pulled in one night. I had to force myself to stop watching. They set these people up to be ridiculed.
I'm "guilty" of being a British "Soap" addict. I never miss, "Eastenders", "Coronation Street", or "Emmerdale".
Yes, I know I should get out more, but there is nowhere to go, and, when you get there, you can't smoke!
These programs exist because people watch them. I believe this is the same as the person that knowingly buys stolen goods out of the trunk of a car or in the back alley. Anyone that watches this kind of program is worse than the producers. Without you, the program would not be aired.
The host is merely reading what the writers wrote for him. He is reading the teleprompter. The length of the pause is controlled in the production booth.
It is "Jerry Springer" with much higher production values.
American Idol does have the goal of furthering careers and has done so rather well in 6 years. Several very successful recording artists, an Academy Award winner, at least 2 on Broadway. Anyone that suffered any damage was done totally by themselves. There were no writers magnifying and intensifying problems.
American Gladiator appeals to the David versus Goliath myth. In truth, if the 'Gladiators' did not pick favorites, none of them would prevail. It is Professional Wrestling between people of greatly different sizes and abilities. (You did not mention "Pros versus Joes")
Without you, the program would not be aired. ...The host is merely reading what the writers wrote for him. He is reading the teleprompter. The length of the pause is controlled in the production booth.
so the viewers are culpable, but the host is not? who is in charge? the viewers and the producers? the writers but not the directors? the contestants but not the host?
american idol isnt quite so pure. its contracts are predatory and its procedures behind the scenes hardly separate it from an ethical standpoint from any contrary behavior on the part of the contestants.
each of the contestants signs a forever deal with fox's management company — they are all basically owned for life in exchange for competing on the show. i thought i remembered one of the winners or finalists a few years ago trying to sue his way out of the contract, but i couldnt find anything after a brief google search. last year, jennifer hudson made public comments about how controlled the behind-the-scenes activity is. i think it was around the time of her oscar nomination for "dreamgirls." recently, there has been controversy about how the singers choose their songs and, more specifically, how their choices are much more limited (and tied into other commercial deals) than the show makes it seem. this year, a few if not several of the remaining contestants have had prior record deals. and there have been a few controversies over voting problems in the past, with phone lines going down early and misdirected numbers causing incorrect votes.
in the 2nd or 3rd season of "last comic standing," celebrity guests were brought on to vote contestants into the finals. one of the guests was drew carey — someone now relatively famous for his courage in standing up for his political beliefs (he's a libertarian with official ties to Reason Magazine, who does video segments for them). after the voting, the results were announced and carey flipped out because they didnt match what he and his other judges had decided. he ran backstage, to the brief comfort of the better comics who had been "voted off." it was then explained to him by a producer that the status of celebrity judge was only to contribute to the decision-making process, but that the producers had final say. carey seemed satisfied with this answer, even though he didnt like it (and the celebrity voting round became different in future episodes and seasons).
i would never say that the actions of one talent-seeking reality show necessarily match the actions of others. but it's naive to think that the producers of american idol arent controlling, scripting and editing just about every single thing they can get away with. there is a reason that american idol has lasted so long, and the same goes for other similarly successful reality shows, most of which have experienced controversies around former contestants making claims about producer interference/intervention/manipulation/or whatever other word we might use to describe the "invisible hand," as it were, of reality show economics.
The host is a paid talking head. He is a member of the cast no different from anyone else on the set.
There have been times when the talking head was part of the production in which case the host does have some responsibility
I watched the Moment of Truth episode last night, and this was a very troubled young lady. She was obviously very unhappy in her marriage. She said that she didn't care about the money, she wanted to get some things off her chest.
My understanding is that the contestants have already been asked all of these questions before, so they know what questions they are going to be asked. I told my husband that I thought she was terribly unhappy and wanted to get these things out in the open, while earning enough to leave her husband and start a new life. Unfortunately, for her, she probably destroyed her marriage and still left with nothing. My guess is she will move back in with mommy and daddy.
Why did I watch it? Why not? I was tired, the kids were in bed, and there was nothing else on. Sure I could have been contributing to society in some positive way, but sometimes you just want to do nothing. With TIVO, we watched the entire thing in about 30 minutes.
TiVO makes it so much easier to make quality viewing choices.
I have been watching Make Me a Supermodel (not too dramatic and definitely edgier than ANTM), The Gauntlet (now that one is so much drama it'll make your head spin) , ANTM, Top Chef, Project Runway, What Not to Wear, Making the Band (mostly to see Diddy ego trip and to have something pop-culture to write about on my music blog) and a couple others I can't think of at the moment.
The only thing I feel slightly guilty about is watching All My Children on a semi-regular basis.
I read, write and analyze all day so a little brain junk food is what I go for when watching TV.
gah - i'm reminded that we used to watch "the swan," perhaps one of the most disgraceful attempts at reality tv i've encountered. i'm glad to say that i didnt make it all the way to the beauty contest. at least i have that...
Ergh. For me, it's Big Brother & American Idol. Started watching Big Brother last year. It just entertains me.
For a time I avidly watched American Gladiator. I loved the original so much I had to, but that show is pretty clean actually. Grant it I loose brain cells, but the women have forearms the size of my thigh. Pretty hot....... I think.
Um . . .we shut the cable off over a year ago and most of the time the entertainment system is shut off at the surge protector. Sorry.
Until Jan. 1, 2008 when the cable station stopped airing it, I was hooked on a Canadian H.S. drama called "Edgemont." It was charming and breezily youthful and based in Vancouver. It has been a huge hit in France, yet not so big here in the States. Some of its alums have moved on: Kristen Kreuk starred on "Smallville," Grace Park did a Star Trek series, and Jessica Lucas is the new pretty young thing on "C.S.I." (although, in a nod to Hollywood values versus Canadian ones, every outfit she wears on C.S.I. is inexplicably low cut).
The show was pro-Canada and showcased its youth and their struggles. I grew up on the East Coast in NYC, and I'm twenty years removed from high school, yet I found myself oddly affected by this drama, which ran for about 5 seasons.
Once upon a time, there was "Gilmore Girls" and "Dawson's Creek." Original scripted programming is becoming a thing of the past.
The only other dramas I look forward to are "E.R." and "Law and Order," which are both in decline. I watch a lot of CNN and BBC and Euronews.
Scoop, I'm tickled to read you were a court reporter. I am a court officer, or bailiff. Small world, huh?
The only show I feel guilty about watching? The Girls Next Door. It's like watching a platinum blond train wreck and weirdly fascinating.
Yep, the one about Hefner's three girlfriends.
Probably. But I'm female so I'm there for the ditsy drama :)
The show is indeed like watching a train wreck... but at the same time, its interesting to know that Hef is allowing them to have control over certain aspects of the empire. You see them and think they're stupid becuase they act stupid, but you watch them and see they know their craft.
I do not watch any so-called "Reality" shows at all. As I have already said, my one t.v. "weakness" is British Soaps.
Having said this, one American series I did like (so much that I have since bought the who series on VHS) was "Twin Peaks".
The charecters were incredable and so was the music. I am currently re-watching it all the way through for the THIRD time!
Loved it! I always thought Kyle MacLachlan deserved to be a bigger star.
I left out repeats of older shows: "The Sopranos" and "Sex and the City."
Yes, I am a big follower of Kyle MacLachlan, and also have his "Blue Velvet" (another David Lynch film) in a special edition boxed set.
If thats the "Beauty and the Beast" I'm thinking of, with Ron Pearlman made up to look sort of "Lionish", then, yes, that was one brilliant series.
I wish they'd repeat it here in the U.K.
Beauty and the Geek
Deal or No Deal.
I don't watch TV as much as I used to, but I still watch lots of movies on DVD. The only shows I watch with any regularity are The Wire on HBO and My Name Is Earl when I remember it's on. I used to watch Project Greenlight, but for the most part I don't watch any reality television. The more reality television they program, the less I even bother to check what's on the networks. I just assume it all sucks.
Unless you count courtroom stuff. I frequently watch crime documentaries that are relatively serious, and I used to leave the Court TV channel on in the mornings while they were describing real life court dramas. Recently they renamed it Tru Tv. They still cover real trials during the day, but I watch less.
I guess the only guilty pleasure I have is watching the latest version of Dr. Who. It's a good show, but kind of silly and over-the-top. I like it anyway though, I'm addicted.
Of course, I watch American Idol. But my real guilty pleasure, in terms of reality shows, is Who Wants to Be a Super Hero with Stan Lee. It's very, very campy.
The Amazing Race and Run's House
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." Edmund Burke's words refer specifically to men, but I believe they apply equally to men and women.
I don't mean to sound like a preacher, but there is a complacency when it comes to outrageous tv that is slowly eating away at the value and respect we judge other human beings with.
Shock tv continues to push the boundaries, in part I believe, because what was shocking last year has now become passe through repeated exposure. Instead of turning the channel when we know we should, we sit and watch for any number of excuses - nothing else is on, everyone at the office is talking about it, etc.
Friends and family have asked me why I did not watch programs such as "Sex and the City" or "The Sopranos". They told told me that yes, they were kind of of edgy, but in the next breath they would gush about how brilliantly written or expertly acted the shows were. That may be the case. But each of us has a personal scale of ethics and when you feel that something is wrong, all the great acting, fantastic writing, and brilliant directing in the world doesn't make it right.
It's easy to say, "what's the big deal? It's not like it's real" or in the case of Reality TV, "well these people exposed themselves to this kind of attention, anyway". True enough, but I think shock tv hurts all of us.
I don't remember any "good old days". But it does seem that as little as 15 years ago, people were a little less isolated and self-centered. They seem to view each other more in terms of whole human beings, instead of collections of body parts or soulless resources that could be used for personal gain, entertainment or otherwise.
Hey, I'm not suggesting we limit ourselves to Masterpiece Theater and the PTL channel. Personally, I'm a diehard SpongeBob fan. My beef is with brain candy that hurts other people or society in general.
I'm an attorney, and you would never guess that I excitedly look forward to Rock of Love on Sunday nights. This might sound strange, but I find reality tv somewhat theraputic. I'm a person who over-thinks and over-analyzes everything. I'm always in my head. TV shows with less-than-stellar writing or premises allow me to relax and help me turn my brain off.
I also watched that episode on Moment of Crap. Perhaps the only time I will ever watch it. I am no exception to agreeing with the original thought that shows like this is a waste of television space. However, there are a couple thoughts that I had.
The first thought is: it was pretty apparent that her marriage was heading for failure, regardless of the existence of this program. I learned an interesting concept when I first started driving (well maybe not so interesting). I use to be afraid of police officers catching me on my driving mishaps and issuing tickets. But then an old minister told me an interesting thought: "If you follow the traffic rules, you'll never have to worry about police officers pulling you over..." Despite your subconscious or conscious desire to break the law every now and then when driving, it's true. In the case of this woman, had she originally not made such decisions, she wouldn't be in the position she is now. What's worse is she didn't even win the money because, go figure, knock on wood, or whatever cliché phrase you know, she answered yes to the question that asked if she thought she was a good person. Maybe not everyone shares my logic, but after revealing such secrets, wouldn't it dawn on you that might not be as a good of a person as you originally thought? I don't disagree that there will be a bad turn of events somewhere down the road. I don't remember if this was what ended the Jenny Jones show, but I do remember them blaming her show for the death of a homosexual man who professed his love to another man. It turned fatal when the other man was charged with the murder of the homosexual man.
My 2nd thought includes the large influx of reality shows that seems to plague the entertainment business. Although many reality shows could have a script directing its drama and outcome, it is minimal. That being said, many of the fictional dramas that rely completely on script, such as one of my favorites, Heroes, have been halted as a result of the strike in Hollywood by the Writer's Guild of America. Many of your favorite fictional dramas, programs, etc, are in danger of never airing again as a result of the strike. Writers and producers are kind of like the ying and yang of the entertainment industry. Writers write the stories while producers only worry about funding what will make money. However, when you lose one of the 2, you see it reflected in the industry. I watched a news story about how American Idol's ratings shot higher then any part of its history of existence on our televisions as a result of nothing else to watch other than reality shows that require minimal scripting. With that being said, I'm not surprised a useless program like this would appear on our televisions. Without the skilled writers continuing existing programs or creation of new ones rely on the money grubbing entertainment producers. If you thought celebrities had drama, let's wonder who are the people that create, instigate, or water the drama you see reflected within those celebrity lives.
I'm not a huge fan of reality shows to begin with. The Moment of Crap show seems to almost epitomize that feeling because of the unnecessary drama it creates. American Idol even eliminated the "team" round to avoid the potential drama between contestants.
I don't know how much anyone cares about my opinion, but I want would encourage everyone to not contribute to its ratings and turn to a different show or turn the television off when it airs.
Sorry. I don't know what happened with my internet. I was surprised it didn't pop up a message requiring me to enter my name. It's Jack, if it doesn't show up again.
The Jenny Jones was just an example. Many of the other shows are in the same position such as your example of Dr. Phil. Although, I am somewhat a fan of psychology/sociology, I'm not too much a fan of psychology/sociology talk shows. For some reason, they turn out cheesy and you see the biggest cry babies appear on these shows. "I just can't go on with my life because of this insecurity about my bad hair..." or what have you. It's ironic that people with degrees in cognitive studies about people such as Dr. Phil, doesn't really have the creative capacity to air a program that is compelling to...people. I'm not sure how the common psychologist/sociologist feels about Dr. Phil, but I personally think he's a joke (and no, I'm not in that profession). Here's some logic we can try when it comes to children and "drunkenness" as in your example of pedophilia. Why is he drinking in the presence of his children to begin with? See how it goes back to, "had we not originally made the dumb choice, we wouldn't be in that position?" And don't tell me that it's because they're uneducated hill billies. They know it's against the law. Go figure, it's just like we know speeding is against the law as in the example in my last comment. Irregardless of educational background, its common knowledge in America that if the minor isn't of age (hence the classification of "minor") that it's a crime to be "inappropriate" with them.
As for the aforementioned Jenny Jones incident with the homosexual man, I simply googled "homosexual man murdered Jenny Jones." The first link that appeared in my search query was a news article that stated the amount the Jenny Jones show was to pay in damages to the family of the murdered individual. They also said this substantial amount of $25 million was to send to a message to other shows similar to or spawning from such shows to avoid such situations. Surprise, surprise; some people don't want their secrets and/or drama revealed on television. I've heard this phrase a few times before and obviously before I grew fatigue of reality talk shows: "I can't believe you brought me onto national television to tell me this...you couldn't tell me this at home?"
See? Cry babies.
I used to watch MTVs' "Sweet Sixteen" just to get that Jerry Springer brand of angry at stupid @!$%#es...
I watched it for a waaaay different reason. . .
ah... one of those....
Yes, an avid event-planning enthusiast.
Scott,
MTVs Sweet Sixteen is 30 minutes of hyper-materialistic rich 15 year old girls turning 16 and the story of their birthday party. Generally at some point the girl ends up becoming a super-spaztic poodle over the denial of a $120,000 dress she'll wear one night, but as the show wears on we get suspenseful in finding out if her dad got her that Mercedes SLK she cant' drive legally yet. Of course there's also the drama where the girl will usually make a huge todo about the party and make a point that only 'cool' people can attend the party while rubbing the 'losers' face in the fact that they cant go. Personally, I love when they all say that their party will be historic and the talk of whatever city they are in... NYC, LA, Houston... its obvious that these girls don't know how the snobs they idolize REALLY work....
no.. I'm not bitter... I have no angst against materialistic poodle girls that would rather have things handed to them than actually earn it... not at all.
"Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information and religions destroy spirituality..." David Ellner
Any surprise about that show and the behavior on it? And Bridezillas? If I ever get a terminal disease, these are the types of people on my short list for eradication before I die.
cold hot tubs again is it? I concur.
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