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A Belated Happy Holidays To House (1/29/08 episode reviewed)

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Show's title: It's A Wonderful Lie

House, MD, returned Tuesday for the first of just a handful of promised new episodes. I am assuming it was because of the writer's strike that this Christmas-themed episode is airing now.

The show began with a classic House switcheroo, where the viewer plays the series game of name-the-person-who-is-about-to-be-hospitalized.

As the episode begins a teenage girl is doing some simulated rock climbing with help/coaching from her mother. Her mom, Maggie, is played by the actress, who used to play Donna on The West Wing, which was one of my favorite shows for its first few seasons before Aaron Sorkin left it.

The daughter falters and the viewer is meant to think, uh oh, she's going to fall. But the show's writers have long abandoned making the victim obvious, and such was the case here.

Instead, Maggie suddenly suffers complete paralysis of her hands and drops the safety rope holding her daughter, who falls. While people rush to see if Maggie's daughter is fine, her daughter is instead concerned about what's wrong with her mom. Her mom can no longer feel her hands.

Credits roll.

House is given the patient's medical history, told Maggie, 34, is a single mom who had a double mastectomy in response to breast cancer. He is more interested in the claim that the mother never lies to her daughter.

While this story was unfolding what I found more interesting was that the series continues its positive trend of having interesting things happening during exposition scenes. In past seasons it was not unusual for House to play with his cane or throw an object during a scene which has the main purpose of conveying information.

For this episode the choice was made to have House join Maggie's daughter in sucking on lollipops while he pressed her on information about her mom. When she says she and her mom never lie to each other House, always fascinated by deception, becomes a bit obsessed with this topic.

At one point House even pressed the 11-year-old daughter on her mom's sexual position. She tells him her mom prefers to have sex with her chest to the bed so her sexual partner won't stare at her scars.

House sends part of his team to talk to Maggie's most recent sexual partner, who admits slipping her some ecstasy. They put her on dialysis but instead of helping her she becomes, temporarily, blind.

To get this information the team had to lie to the lying sex partner. Moral: Don't lie? Actually if anything, House is having trouble at the concept still with the concept that anyone would be honest all the time and doesn't stop until he catches mom in a big lie.

House sends his people to not only go to Maggie's home but to also grab her computer so he can read her emails. I've always felt this premise a bit tenuous but the idea of grabbing computers and reading emails was too implausible for me to digest.

Just when the viewer is wondering whether this whole plot arc is meant only to remind the viewer that privacy laws like HIPAA haven't stopped House from understanding the importance of privacy and boundaries (he is more of an ends-justify-the-means-type guy) House finds emails that might help solve the mystery of Maggie's medical ailment because she complains of joint pain. Ultimately, though, it turns out the email didn't really help anyone with anything, except serving as an odd plot device.

I was underwhelmed by this whole medical arc though I did love one dialogue exchange. It came as they were trying to determine why Maggie was blind:

Maggie's daughter (if they gave her name, I missed it): "Your boss is weird."

Taub: "Yeah, he is. He thought he'd get information you may not have been telling us -"

Maggie: "By being a jerk?"

Taub:"You'd be surprised how often it works."

The more interesting plotline was the Secret Santa. Only House would be wacky and deceptive enough to rig the holiday ritual so that everyone had House as their Secret Santa recipient. This leads to some hilarity as the staff figures out that he rigged it and how they react to this. House figures he'll spark some dissension and he might get some nice ties or sweaters.

Just as the viewer was beginning to wonder whether there was a point to having the episode set at the holidays other than the Secret Santa fun, we get a key serious scene. House walks through the hospital lobby, where Wilson is wearing a festive holiday hat amid partying employees. House tells Wilson that Maggie is dying.

There's nothing more depressing than someone dying on Christ's birthday, Wilson says.

Wilson: "The angels of Christmas have finally given House a present he can appreciate."

House: "Oh, don't ruin it. Don't pin this on Christ. He's got enough nails in him."

Now THAT is a line you won't hear often on television. The exchange reminded me that Epiphany Sorbet wrote an article last year about House being one of the few well-known television atheists.

House thinks of something and goes back upstairs and announces, 'I am going to perform a Christmas miracle." He, of course, does.

I don't want to spoil things by revealing what happens in the final scenes but it does nicely provide one more reason why the show had the holiday theme.

Overall, it was not one of the better episodes but it was still better than most medical dramas. I'll give it a 7 out of a 10.

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Reply#1 - Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:05 PM EST
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And Epiphany's article about House's athiesm is here.

This was my first attempt at recapping an hour-long program. I'm open to constructive criticism as I'll be doing this more often for this show.

I wanted to walk the line between telling the story without spoiling the story, being a bit snarky at times like Television Without Pity without being 15 pages long.

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#1.1 - Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:55 PM EST
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Television Without Pity gets some good digs about the Moment of Truth (funny) and how great it is that House is back (yay) in this video

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#1.2 - Sun Feb 3, 2008 9:23 PM EST
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{"commentId":1422730,"authorDomain":"DrKnow"}

Is the daughter the one that makes the patient obvious or the writers?

UM. The Secret Santa is the one GIVING the present?

For someone who is supposed to be the most brilliant of diagnosticians, he seems to make several wrong ones every episode. This one is no different.

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Reply#2 - Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:42 PM EST
{"commentId":1422888,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}
Is the daughter the one that makes the patient obvious or the writers?

Oh, you caught a typo. Fixed. Thanks. The hardest editing is editing your own stuff.
Now it's changed from

"But the daughter has long abandoned making the victim obvious, and such was the case here."

to

"But the show's writers have long abandoned making the victim obvious, and such was the case here."

UM. The Secret Santa is the one GIVING the present?

I'm not sure. I just changed the sentence from

"Only House would be wacky and deceptive enough to rig the holiday ritual so that everyone had House as their Secret Santa."

to
"Only House would be wacky and deceptive enough to rig the holiday ritual so that everyone has to buy him a present."

is that more clear?
My editing mantra:
When in doubt, rewrite the sentence.

For someone who is supposed to be the most brilliant of diagnosticians, he seems to make several wrong ones every episode. This one is no different.

That's true. Did you notice where I talked about him being an ends justify the means guy? What I mean is he may go down the wrong path and invade people's privacy and personal space but he usually ends up with the right answer.

This can lead to discussions about whether you'd want House as your doctor. His final results are good but along the way he can go way wrong.

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#2.1 - Thu Jan 31, 2008 5:10 PM EST
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If you try everything in the book are you a brilliant diagnostician or the blind hog that eventually found an acorn?

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#2.2 - Thu Jan 31, 2008 8:21 PM EST
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I didn't know hogs could go blind but then I don't watch much animal planet.

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#2.3 - Thu Jan 31, 2008 10:53 PM EST
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If you try everything in the book are you a brilliant diagnostician or the blind hog that eventually found an acorn?

it really seems like there is something other than the concerns of the doctors you know that is driving this persistent disdain for a fictional character whose character flaws are the entire point of the show.

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#2.4 - Fri Feb 1, 2008 10:23 AM EST
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Yes I've noticed too - that you act like he personally wronged you, Dr. Know.

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#2.5 - Sat Feb 2, 2008 3:36 PM EST
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I have several close relatives in the medical profession. They tell me about people who watch television, then come in with the 'disease of the evening'.

I feel that this has turned into a personal attack on me for voicing my opinion.

I will remove this article from my tracker to prevent any further instances.

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#2.6 - Sat Feb 2, 2008 9:02 PM EST
{"commentId":1431342,"authorDomain":"firsty"}

I feel that this has turned into a personal attack on me for voicing my opinion.

I will remove this article from my tracker to prevent any further instances.

if you think, of all the great responses in this thread, that the few that address your repetition of the same shallow argument without responding to the appropriate comments which try to clarify what you are saying and try to make sure we are all talking about the same thing, then it goes to demonstrate the fallacy of your approach itself. you're ignoring what people are saying in response to what you have said.

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#2.7 - Sun Feb 3, 2008 1:37 PM EST
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he is more of an ends-justify-the-means-type guy

well, if thats not the understatement of the millennium, i dont know what is. :) i would agree, and i would say that house is the kind of person who as a rule, as an entire way of life, the ends justify the means, whatever they are. i think it's actually only the extremity of that POV which redeems him, because it makes its moral decisions entirely consistent and, well, pure.

this is a great review, scott. i'm not sure that i found in this last episode the flaws that you and polite dissent and the other blogs i read on the subject (nj alltv, the onion AV club) found, but that obviously puts me in the minority. i actually really enjoyed the show. i like though how you frame the review around those things that the program is really meant to be.

i was thinking recently of the significance, if any, of house's name. the only thing i could come up with is the reference to "house rules," which, as i (coincidentally enough) only this last week discussed in my "host your own poker game" series, are the rules that the host of a game determines, and which everyone who plays that game must follow. the way that dr house handles his department is very much like the way the host of a game manages the gameplay. obviously the two scenarios dont carry the same conflicts, but, then again, the two scenarios have much different stakes.

(wikipedia points out the show's intentional parallels to sherlock holmes, including "house/holmes (homes)": "House is in many respects a medical Sherlock Holmes. This resemblance is evident in various elements of the series' plot, such as House's reliance on psychology to solve a case, House's drug addiction, House's home address, House's playing of an instrument, House's relationship with Dr. James Wilson (a reference to Dr. John Watson), and House's encounter with a crazed gunman credited as "Moriarty", which is the same name as Holmes' nemesis. Also, series creator David Shore has said that Dr. House's name is meant as a "subtle homage" to Sherlock Holmes (i.e., "homes")."

the strength of the program is not meant to be its diagnostic truth. as a huge fan of the program since the first season, i was surprised when i read in your interview with polite dissent's doctor that he feels that "house" is likely at the top of current medical dramas in terms of accuracy, and in the top quarter of medical shows of all time. my understanding of the program, which i watch with my partner who is not only a nurse but also a bookworm who keeps her advanced medical texts on hand wherever she goes, is that the diagnoses arrived at generally fit the symptoms, but there is a lack of accuracy when it comes to how the results of tests either come back so quickly, are more vague than they make it seem, or that they only lead to one conclusion.

but thats not the point. the point is: the moral questions encountered when there are conflicts between the interests of different people involved - the patients, their families, their secrets, etc...the way that doctors approach their work by acknowledging different borderline ethical concerns, or not...or the way that doctors interact and use their skills of perception to make judgments about patients, each other, or themselves.

and these questions are the weight of the show, and they are often, as you show, explored during the dialog between characters that usually isnt directly related to the patient at hand but rather during the asides. another great exchange was when foreman made a quick remark about taub's happiness, left unanswered by taub. and i think you were the one who brought it up in another thread, but it was another great scene when wilson told house he was only walking down the hall with him because he knew it was painful. their relationship is perhaps the most profound and layered relationship between male friends that we see in today's television.

as far as house's religious views, i certainly dont see it as a character trait. it is more a very simple, predictable and believable opinion based on the character himself. he's not so much an atheist as he is a rationalist. if house witnessed undeniable proof of a higher power, he'd probably become a monk. as we know, towards the end of season 3 and into season 4, the program adapted a theme of house's spirituality, as he encountered both strong believers and strange medical outcomes. but in every case, house was able to talk through or think through the facts in such a way as to definitively explain things. lets face it — religious belief is based on faith, not facts. we can criticize someone all we want for not believing, but we're lying to ourselves if we think that it is a character flaw, up for absolute criticism, which makes a person incapable of having faith.

if we go to the wikipedia article about the program, we see that house and his fellows base their diagnoses on the socratic method, which (i'm just pulling up the quickest links as reference — these wikipedia articles are accurate references at least for the discussion at hand) we can see is, appropriately:

a dialectic method of inquiry, largely applied to the examination of key moral concepts and first described by Plato in the Socratic Dialogues. For this, Socrates is customarily regarded as the father of Western ethics or moral philosophy.

It is a form of philosophical inquiry. It typically involves two speakers at any one time, with one leading the discussion and the other agreeing to certain assumptions put forward for his acceptance or rejection. The method is credited to Socrates, who began to engage in such discussion with his fellow Athenians after a visit to the Oracle of Delphi. Diogenes Laertius, however, wrote that Protagoras invented the "Socratic" method.[1][2]

The practice involves asking a series of questions surrounding a central issue, and answering questions of the others involved. Generally, this involves the defense of one point of view against another and is oppositional. The best way to 'win' is to make the opponent contradict themselves in some way that proves the inquirer's own point.

we can see the parallels very quickly. and we can also see that, even though, as we agree, house is a person who believes the ends justify the means as an absolute, he takes great pleasure - he sees great value - in the exercise of conversation as a way to understand the ethical and moral questions involved. but these two approaches are not incompatible — having a deep understanding of the moral questions having to do with each case are what drives the understanding of the cases themselves. house may be seen as a misanthrope, and his most persistent trait as a doctor is that he never (if he can help it) talks to the patient. from a practical sense, this is because he believes (and has never been proven wrong) that "everyone lies." but what he does (he couldnt not talk to the patients if he didnt have his fellows to talk to them) is weigh the information he receives from the patient via the different moral filters of his fellows (which he takes great pains to define — he introduces them to states of stress in order to understand their true natures) against the medical information provided by the tests. so what he's really doing is considering the personal nature of his doctors and his patients just as much if not more than the results of tests, which most doctors treat as the final word.

in this way, his misanthropy is not due to a character flaw, but rather due to house's absolute belief in that the ends justify the means. he is a misanthrope because it is the best way to diagnose and save his patients.

any review which does not consider these fundamental themes and treats house using a pre-set collection of prejudices, separate from the fictional world in which he behaves, separate from the art of its story, is simply superficial. we dont talk about robert jordan ("for whom the bell tolls") in relation to real ex-patriots or in relation to the details of the spanish revolution; we dont talk about valmont ("dangerous liaisons") in relation to promiscuous bachelors everwhere. we talk about these characters within the framework of the work of art they inhabit. dr house is not a person, he is a character. further, he is: the protagonist. he has a role within the plot and themes of the series. with tv series, we seem to have more difficulty in dealing with character than we do with books or movies or epic poems. this same fallacy showed itself when "the sopranos" came to a close (and, really, throughout the series, as tony soprano was judged for the crimes he committed instead of the effects he had on other characters, his actions as the "hero" — the "hero" as defined by comic/tragic/romantic definitions going as far back as the era of socrates anyway.

and that is very important — why do doctors these days receive such poor reviews from their patients? why are so many people unhappy with the medical care they receive? because doctors dont listen and because they run tests and write scripts as their primary form of caregiving. does house listen? no. he doesnt even ask, not directly. but he has his doctors listen. and because everyone lies (and house did a good job in this episode of describing, to the patient's daughter, the various forms of lying, some more seemingly benign than others), the only way to truly understand what they are saying is through the filters of his doctors, which, as i said, he goes to great lengths to understand - and also to maintain as a control group, and this is done by using the socratic method with his doctors - the back and forth exchanges which seem to be discussing tangental obsessions but are actually serving to define the medical problems they face.

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Reply#3 - Fri Feb 1, 2008 11:47 AM EST
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I think your response is weighty and lengthy enough to be its own article. Maybe YOu should consider recapping the show too since you obviously have much interest in it. I'm reading this too late to do justice so for now let me say thank you for the compliment and the obvious thoughts you've put into this review and your response and this series.

I went back and forthy on whether to mention the athiesm article in the context of the "nails" comment - in a way that's almost a comment suggesting he's NOt an athiest because why would an athiest care about such things, but I wanted to throw it some recurring topics and issues with this series on this article so I can return to them later.

I did struggle with whether to go with doing the recap chronologically or skip around a bit as I did. I'm glad the structure appears to have made sense.

I'll respond to your other points tomorrow.

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#3.1 - Fri Feb 1, 2008 10:55 PM EST
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i do really like the show and i've thought about writing something but it always gets away from me and my response was entirely inspired by your article, so it belongs here. it'll get more reads here, too. :)

i'm watching a repeat of "house" from season 1 and i have to say that the way the show has evolved is really positive, i think. i look forward to hearing more about what you think.

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#3.2 - Fri Feb 1, 2008 11:34 PM EST
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One thing I like about the show is that it DOES make you think. It'll be good to compare notes.

So am I to understand there are new episodes on both Sunday AND Tuesday? At one point - and I decided not to include this - I thought they were advertising "three new episodes of House" - and if that's so doesn't that mean they'd run out in like a week or two (math - especially algebra - not being my best subject)

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#3.3 - Fri Feb 1, 2008 11:51 PM EST
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The Socratic Method is fine for philosophical discussions. One does not die from such unless it is boredom. The hit and miss method does not qualify House as a "brilliant diagnostician". A dart board would do as well.

Firsty, write your review. I will certainly provide you with reads as I am sure Scott will.

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#3.4 - Sat Feb 2, 2008 9:01 AM EST
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One does not die from such unless it is boredom. The hit and miss method does not qualify House as a "brilliant diagnostician". A dart board would do as well.

nobody actually dies on tv series. medicine and doctors provide the scenery and setting for "house," but the program is not about medicine or doctors, from a thematic point of view. to judge the character or the program on what it does for medicine is to completely miss the point. that kinda sums up the long response i posted. and to respond to the comments i made in the manner that you did is entirely tangental. we're talking about two different things. i'm talking about the show, and you're talking as if house is a real doctor. he's not. seriously. he's not really a doctor. but i can kinda see where you are coming from even more now, in saying how the program can be dangerous for actual patients or at least frustrating for actual doctors. because if people see "house" as you see it, they might actually fall into the same fallacy and think they can apply things that happen on the program to their own real medical issues.

Firsty, write your review. I will certainly provide you with reads as I am sure Scott will.

my review is above.

o am I to understand there are new episodes on both Sunday AND Tuesday?
i just checked my tv programming guide and, yes — there are 2 new episodes this week, which kinda sucks, because if they were pacing it better, we would be able to enjoy new shows for a longer time. oh well, all for advertising. :)
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#3.5 - Sat Feb 2, 2008 11:56 AM EST
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So am I to understand there are new episodes on both Sunday AND Tuesday

The Sunday episode was suppose to be a big plug for House with the SuperBowl as a lead in. But all that was planned before the strike.

In fact, the episode airing Sunday wasn't the one originally planned for after the SuperBowl, but that one was only half written when the strike started.

The strike is also why they held the Christmas episode until the end of January so they could have one episode before the week before the SuperBowl and one the week after and these three were all they had left.

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#3.6 - Sat Feb 2, 2008 1:09 PM EST
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Firsty - I'm honored my review prompted all of those great responses which I'm going to get into as soon as I finish writing about guilt.

Dr. Know - I echo Firsty's comments. It seems like you're judging how House might confuse the public's understanding of medicine versus whether it is good compelling television.

Vacelts - OK, thanks. I guess I'll be spending Monday writing a review of Sunday nite's show before the next episode airs Tuesday. Good thing Monday I don't start work until 3 pm.

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#3.7 - Sat Feb 2, 2008 3:41 PM EST
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OK, I'm going to attempt to respond to parts of this.

well, if thats not the understatement of the millennium, i dont know what is. :) i would agree, and i would say that house is the kind of person who as a rule, as an entire way of life, the ends justify the means, whatever they are. i think it's actually only the extremity of that POV which redeems him, because it makes its moral decisions entirely consistent and, well, pure.

Interesting. So how does his use of drugs- legal and illegal - fit into all of this? He rationalizes the drug use because they are justified by the ends?

this is a great review, scott. i'm not sure that i found in this last episode the flaws that you and polite dissent and the other blogs i read on the subject (nj alltv, the onion AV club) found, but that obviously puts me in the minority. i actually really enjoyed the show.

Do you have links to those reviews/recaps? I usually just read that of TWOP and Polite Dissent. We'll have to agree to disagree on this show. I think I was partly distracted by the West Wing actress in such a different role which, isn't her or the show's fault, but i note because reviews are subjective.

the strength of the program is not meant to be its diagnostic truth. as a huge fan of the program since the first season, i was surprised when i read in your interview with polite dissent's doctor that he feels that "house" is likely at the top of current medical dramas in terms of accuracy, and in the top quarter of medical shows of all time. my understanding of the program, which i watch with my partner who is not only a nurse but also a bookworm who keeps her advanced medical texts on hand wherever she goes, is that the diagnoses arrived at generally fit the symptoms, but there is a lack of accuracy when it comes to how the results of tests either come back so quickly, are more vague than they make it seem, or that they only lead to one conclusion.

Oh, is that what you were expressing surprise about at that interview? I think saying House is more accurate about medicine on the show is a bit like saying Entertainment Tonight is more like a news program of substance than Access Hollywood, in other words it's saying it's better than some but still far from great. There are some - perhaps including Dr. Know - who would like the show to be more like a documentary. Don't get me wrong - I love documentaries - but I think there's a time and place for fictional programs too.

Interesting about the House/Holmes connection.

and these questions are the weight of the show, and they are often, as you show, explored during the dialog between characters that usually isnt directly related to the patient at hand but rather during the asides. another great exchange was when foreman made a quick remark about taub's happiness, left unanswered by taub. and i think you were the one who brought it up in another thread, but it was another great scene when wilson told house he was only walking down the hall with him because he knew it was painful. their relationship is perhaps the most profound and layered relationship between male friends that we see in today's television.

I agree - it's a great relationship. I think there could be a great book just on how they are often testing each others limits and boundaries. Television Without Pity takes it all to an extreme in suggesting they are secretly having a sexual relationship so when the series had a plot line with them moving in together.. well, they had a field day with that. But it IS great writing and the actor who plays Wilson deserves acclaim for playing Wilson the way he does.

as far as house's religious views, i certainly dont see it as a character trait. it is more a very simple, predictable and believable opinion based on the character himself. he's not so much an atheist as he is a rationalist. if house witnessed undeniable proof of a higher power, he'd probably become a monk. as we know, towards the end of season 3 and into season 4, the program adapted a theme of house's spirituality, as he encountered both strong believers and strange medical outcomes. but in every case, house was able to talk through or think through the facts in such a way as to definitively explain things. lets face it — religious belief is based on faith, not facts. we can criticize someone all we want for not believing, but we're lying to ourselves if we think that it is a character flaw, up for absolute criticism, which makes a person incapable of having faith.

See my comment below about this. I'm not convinced that his thoughts about religion are not a character trait, though I guess that depends on how you decide what's a trait versus what is part of a person's interests.

but we're lying to ourselves if we think that it is a character flaw, up for absolute criticism, which makes a person incapable of having faith.

I hope you don't think I was saying that. I'm still making up my own mind about faith. I'm just saying you don't often see popular programs questioning faith.

we can see the parallels very quickly. and we can also see that, even though, as we agree, house is a person who believes the ends justify the means as an absolute, he takes great pleasure - he sees great value - in the exercise of conversation as a way to understand the ethical and moral questions involved. but these two approaches are not incompatible — having a deep understanding of the moral questions having to do with each case are what drives the understanding of the cases themselves.

I was with you on the socratic method thing until you got to here because House doesn't seem to have conversations well. He would do well to read my piece abotu the value of listening because he seems to interrupt others a lot which would not, in myopinion, be a good rendering of the socratic method..

and that is very important — why do doctors these days receive such poor reviews from their patients? why are so many people unhappy with the medical care they receive? because doctors dont listen and because they run tests and write scripts as their primary form of caregiving. does house listen? no. he doesnt even ask, not directly. but he has his doctors listen. and because everyone lies (and house did a good job in this episode of describing, to the patient's daughter, the various forms of lying, some more seemingly benign than others), the only way to truly understand what they are saying is through the filters of his doctors, which, as i said, he goes to great lengths to understand - and also to maintain as a control group, and this is done by using the socratic method with his doctors - the back and forth exchanges which seem to be discussing tangental obsessions but are actually serving to define the medical problems they face.

Well, another reason some complain about doctors is they seem to be lacking empathy and that's definitely a criticism of House. Unless a character interests him he's often quite rude to them with sometime disastarous results (i.e. the cop plotline)

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#3.8 - Sat Feb 2, 2008 4:30 PM EST
{"commentId":1429480,"authorDomain":"firsty"}

looks like the USA network repeats are going to have to get me my fix...i doubt the fox prime time repeats are going to get as far back into the first and second seasons.

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#3.9 - Sat Feb 2, 2008 4:40 PM EST
{"commentId":1430184,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

That's what libaries and netflix are for, silly. My library has all of Buffy, House, Lost, etc.

Its how I stay sane at work, watching them after my clients go to bed.

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#3.10 - Sat Feb 2, 2008 10:37 PM EST
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{"commentId":1426581,"authorDomain":"vacelts"}

Did anyone notice that Foreman never gave House a gift even though he drew his name?

And why has Foreman stopped wearing a white coat?

BTW, nice review.

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Reply#4 - Fri Feb 1, 2008 3:48 PM EST
{"commentId":1427646,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

I did not notice those things but I did nothing something Epi noted, which is that I didn't notice - nor did she - him popping pills this week.

Thanks for the compliment.

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#4.1 - Fri Feb 1, 2008 10:49 PM EST
{"commentId":1428373,"authorDomain":"vacelts"}

No pill popping? You're right. I totally missed that.

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#4.2 - Sat Feb 2, 2008 9:18 AM EST
{"commentId":1432825,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

I'm watching carefully to see if he doesn't pop pills again tonite but i'm not sure what it would mean if he doesn't. Maybe they are just dropping it as a plotline?

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#4.3 - Sun Feb 3, 2008 11:06 PM EST
{"commentId":1433212,"authorDomain":"vacelts"}

I don't remember any tonight either.

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#4.4 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 2:13 AM EST
{"commentId":1433562,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

Maybe they just decided enough was enough with scenes of him popping the pills.

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#4.5 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 8:17 AM EST
{"commentId":1433698,"authorDomain":"vacelts"}

Well they did a Super Bowl Commercial promoting the show and it was all scenes of him popping pills.

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#4.6 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 9:19 AM EST
{"commentId":1433764,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

Hmm, oh you mean there was something on tv before House this time?
:)
After Puppy Bowl I turned off the tv for a few hours.

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#4.7 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 9:38 AM EST
{"commentId":1434051,"authorDomain":"firsty"}
Well they did a Super Bowl Commercial promoting the show and it was all scenes of him popping pills.

that was a very interesting commercial to say the least. it was funny as hell but i'll be surprised if fox doesnt get complaints about glorifying drug use so unapologetically.

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#4.8 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 10:51 AM EST
{"commentId":1434223,"authorDomain":"vacelts"}

Yes, it was pretty blatant.

Maybe since they had that one PSA about not using drugs Fox thought it was okay.

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#4.9 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 11:40 AM EST
{"commentId":1434333,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

I missed the ad since I skipped the game.

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#4.10 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 12:10 PM EST
{"commentId":1434420,"authorDomain":"vacelts"}

The PSA was this drug dealer telling parents not to blame him if their kids got high because the kids were getting high off stuff in the medicine cabinet.

The House one was literally a montage of images of House popping pills.

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#4.11 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 12:30 PM EST
{"commentId":1434606,"authorDomain":"firsty"}
The House one was literally a montage of images of House popping pills.

set to "rehab" by amy winehouse who seems to treat rehab like house treats rehab – something you do to throw the dogs off the scent. but if they go back to the vicodin plotline in "house," it's going to require s good deal more setup, because they have definitely cut way back on the images of him popping pills.

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#4.12 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 1:22 PM EST
{"commentId":1434741,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

They should have Winhouse on House. That would be an interesting matching.

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#4.13 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 2:07 PM EST
{"commentId":1435042,"authorDomain":"vacelts"}

Yes it would.

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#4.14 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 3:40 PM EST
{"commentId":1435125,"authorDomain":"firsty"}

(house is obviously a topic which for me can go on in any direction forjustaboutever)

watching some of the first 2 seasons on the usa channel repeats has reminded me how stirring and brilliant were many of the guest star spots as actors. the pilot featured one of my most favorite actors, robin tunney, and she was put thru some scenes which required some pretty intense physical performances, but it was still her portrayal thru dialog and behavior which made her appearance so impressive.

i'd love to see winehouse on the show. she wouldve made an interesting character in place of the male musician whose medical problems were featured in the episode where house made his final decision on the team, in fact. but i doubt she'd make it thru an entire episode's shooting schedule, and beehives get smushed in hospital beds. :)

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#4.15 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 4:05 PM EST
{"commentId":1437217,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}
beehives get smushed in hospital beds. :)

I'm not going to ask how you know that.

I'm finishing up my next House review. It should be up within the hour.

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#4.16 - Tue Feb 5, 2008 10:13 AM EST
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{"commentId":1428380,"authorDomain":"vacelts"}
I went back and forthy on whether to mention the athiesm article in the context of the "nails" comment - in a way that's almost a comment suggesting he's NOt an athiest because why would an athiest care about such things,

I would argue that he's really undecided about his faith or lack of it. I think he's still exploring and testing his theories about God.

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Reply#5 - Sat Feb 2, 2008 9:21 AM EST
{"commentId":1429379,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}
I went back and forthy on whether to mention the athiesm article in the context of the "nails" comment - in a way that's almost a comment suggesting he's NOt an athiest because why would an athiest care about such things,
I would argue that he's really undecided about his faith or lack of it. I think he's still exploring and testing his theories about God.

Ah, well, that sounds more like what I and unitarians believe - that the voyage we make during life to decide what we believe is more important than the final conclusion or destination (provided you believe some basic principals, i.e ethical and moral behavior) - than athiesm.

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#5.1 - Sat Feb 2, 2008 3:57 PM EST
{"commentId":1431982,"authorDomain":"vacelts"}

What's that expression: Life's a journey, not a destination.

I have no problem with that being applied to faith.

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#5.2 - Sun Feb 3, 2008 5:10 PM EST
{"commentId":1434326,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

That's a very concise summary of our faith.

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    #5.3 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 12:08 PM EST
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    {"commentId":1432820,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

    One is the woman he's helping.
    But – and this is the part I found most interesting – she ntes that she is in control not House which is a change from House;s usual dominace and control of things.
    The other is about petty House wanting his cable and makin hs people do his work to get it.

    We're five minutes into this new episode I like it already mostly because due to the plot contivance House is Not the one in control or power. Power to the (patient) People!)

    Question: what was that thing that hit the guy first? A windmill? This is where I have a hard time with the recapping - knowing names of gizmos

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    Reply#6 - Sun Feb 3, 2008 11:04 PM EST
    {"commentId":1433577,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

    Polite Dissent's review of last nite's show is already up and TWOP still hasn't put up its review of last Tuesday's
    show.
    I'll start working on mine today but I'm also trying to finish up Newsviner's Picks and an interview with MSNBC's Bob Sullivan so i'm not sure which I'll focus on first.

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    #6.1 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 8:27 AM EST
    {"commentId":1434059,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

    OK I decided I'll write my review up tonite and publish in the morning.

    Meanwhile how about those who saw last nite's show share either he - or over here where I seeded Polite Dissent's review - and we'll compare notes.

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    #6.2 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 10:54 AM EST
    {"commentId":1434396,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

    To me the running theme of the show was control. In the main story House is unable to control his patient since he can't be there with her. She takes control instead (see the scene where she makes him show her his place before undressing, for example.) There's also chemistry there between them but he can't act on it because he's not there. Meanwhile with the secondary story he can't control the woman who has power over the tv's so he tries to get his staff to control her.

    Ultimately he learns via the woman's boyfriend at the pole and via Wilson's date how little he really can control.

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    #6.3 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 12:25 PM EST
    {"commentId":1434745,"authorDomain":"firsty"}

    i think the theme was about house having to conduct his diagnostic discussion using techniques he's not comfortable with. instead of narrowing down the options into the most likely and going from there, sorvino's character had a different idea – she needed proof of a specific illness in order to treat herself. this was partly due to the reality of limited resources available, but it also seemed to indicate and focus on the kind of approach to medicine that is opposite to house's, where instead basing diagnoses on what illnesses are ruled out, the diagnosis is found by testing all possibilities until a certain cause is found. this approach was perhaps counter-intuitive to the situation, which caused the team to have to work with a limited set of tests. but it was motivated by impression instead of by evidence — the impression being the emotional response to diagnoses which "forced" (based on her moral/ethical drives) sorvino's character to make value decisions that included the other people she was responsible for. so instead of possibly wasting a treatment when there was no proof of cause, she demanded evidence before treatment.

    and this may have been entirely situational, but it didnt seem like it was. it seemed like this was her inherent approach to medicine, and i think that is what intrigued house. situational ethics — he rolls over those like frogs on the freeway. but i think he sensed that her approach was not so much situational as it was ingrained in her professional and personal identity. and i think that is what made him so "infatuated" — which definitely seemed out of character for him.

    i didnt like the plot twist. i thought it was contrived. or maybe i just dont like cutthroat @!$%#.

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    #6.4 - Mon Feb 4, 2008 2:08 PM EST
    {"commentId":1437392,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

    Good points, Firsty.

    I'm finishing up my review now.

    Meanwhile, I see Polite Dissent is calling her Cate and TWOP is calling her Kate or possibly vice versa. Anyone know an easy way to determine which it is? Maybe an official House site? If someone can look while I put my finishing touches on my review that'd be great.

    and TWOP has finally put up its full summary of last Tuesday's episode I guess we're kicking their butt - I don't want to be super fast - I like to ponder and digest the show for a day - but I don't want to take a week either.

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    #6.5 - Tue Feb 5, 2008 11:04 AM EST
    {"commentId":1438233,"authorDomain":"vacelts"}

    Fox's House website called her Dr. Cate Milton

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    #6.6 - Tue Feb 5, 2008 2:45 PM EST
    {"commentId":1446522,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

    Thanks. I was headed to Fox to check there when I ran out of time. The sucky part of my job is that it leaves me offline for 20 hours of the day Monday to Thursday and so I have to decide what's more important - checking Fox's spelling of a character on House or remembering to compare notes on American Idol or trying to catch up on comments on my articles, etc.

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    #6.7 - Thu Feb 7, 2008 6:56 PM EST
    {"commentId":1447107,"authorDomain":"vacelts"}

    No problem.

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    #6.8 - Thu Feb 7, 2008 10:18 PM EST
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