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What I Learned From The West Wing, Its Actors, And The Network

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I wrote this about a year ago but didn't know how to tag or publish to groups at that point.

As The West Wing came to an end (something I just finished watching via DVD's) I thought it was time to share some of the thoughts I collected about one of the best-written series ever.

What I learned from the series:

1. Topics as seemingly boring as census statistics can become absorbing, fascinating and interesting with the right script writer. The census was a major part of the storyline in Episode 1.6 - "Mr. Willis of Ohio".

2. Politicians, as depicted on the series, are much more articulate, thoughtful and, at times, inspiring than the real ones you read about in the newspapers.

3. Fictional presidents are easier to adore than real presidents.

4. Money, greed, and campaign donations do not have to be the deciding factors on issues and campaign decisions, unlike in real American politics.

5. The West Wing has an incredible number of hallways, often filled with people walking and talking. Such conversations, referred to as "walk and talks," were a staple of the show.

6. There are many thought-provoking, emotional conversations and circumstances taking place in The West Wing.

7. It is hard to keep a series fresh, especially after its best writer, Aaron Sorkin, leaves the show.

8. Shows can be rewritten when key characters die. In fact, not only were episodes changed when John Spencer, who played the White House chief of staff, died but the election results were even changed. Spencer's character was a Democratic vice presidential nominee. According to Wikipedia and other sources, the Republican candidate played by Alan Alda was originally written to win the election. However, after Spencer died, the producers decided they couldn't have the vice president die - both on the show and in real life - and also lose the election.

9. A bad episode - and I'm one of those who stopped watching for a few seasons when the show went downhill - is still better than most television shows and movies.

10. The West Wing actors - especially during the first four years when Sorkin was the main writer - often repeat comments and talk in an unusual cadence.
An unusual cadence? Yes, an unusual cadence unlike any I have heard before. A sample exchange between C.J., the press secretary, and Sam, Rob Lowe's character:

C.J.: Sam, I read my briefing book last night on the commerce bill regarding the census and there are certain parts of it I don't understand. Sam: I can help you out. Which parts?

C.J.: Well... all of it.

Sam: All of it?

C.J.: Yes.

Sam: You don't understand the census?

C.J.: I don't understand certain nuances. Sam: Like what?

C.J.: Like, the census.

Sam: C.J., we've been working on this commerce bill for three weeks, I hear you talk about the census all the time. C.J.: Yeah. Yeah.

Sam: Well...I don't understand. How could you-?

C.J.: I've been faking it.

Sam: You've been faking it?

C.J.: I've been playing it fast and loose there's no doubt about it, but sitting in on some of the meetings we've been having, and reading the briefing book last night, I have to say that the census is starting to sound to me like it's, well, important.

See how that not only is interesting and engaging as well as going on to give a decent primer on how the census works and why it matters?

What I learned from the actors playing West Wing characters:

1. It's possible to talk about issues like the census without looking bored (see #1 above).

2. It is possible to appear to almost never sleep, use the bathroom or go home without it showing.

3. Sick outs work. Key West Wing actors, like those at CSI and other series, have refused on occasion to continue the series without a pay hike. I thought about doing that at my job but I have a feeling I would be replaced. Whether or not that is good in the end is a topic I'll leave for another day.

4. A good television episode, thanks to great acting and excellent writing, can be better than most movies.

What I learned about NBC, the network on which the show aired:

1. Don't use ratings to make decisions. The pilot had 17 million viewers but the average episode this season is drawing 8 million viewers. But this season, with the campaigns and election of a new president, the series was picking up momentum and becoming more interesting. The network's decision to pull the plug on the series was a mistake.

2. Being cheap hurts you in the end. While I have mixed feelings about the actors asking for more money, the problem could have been solved if the network had just agreed to pay the actors their due. Not only does this upset fans of this series but it will probably lead to fewer retrospectives as series end, removing a nice piece of closure that used to be a staple as hit series end.

So, goodbye to the best political drama I have ever seen. Goodbye to a show that was an inspiration to this idealistic writer who is still crazy enough to think government can do good. Goodbye to characters who were so well-written and developed that they are easier to relate to than most actual politicians and their staff.

Goodbye, West Wing.

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{"commentId":1422399,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

I miss this show. Do others also miss it?

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Reply#1 - Thu Jan 31, 2008 3:24 PM EST
{"commentId":1422837,"authorDomain":"cpg"}

I love West Wing. I have the entire series on DVD. More nights than not, my wife and I watch episodes we've seen several times rather than watching the vapid nonsense that passes for entertainment on TV. There was definitely a decline after season 4 but I completely agree with you that the worst episodes of season 5 -7 are still better than most of what's on currently.

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#1.1 - Thu Jan 31, 2008 5:01 PM EST
{"commentId":1426600,"authorDomain":"vacelts"}

I miss it too.

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#1.2 - Fri Feb 1, 2008 3:52 PM EST
{"commentId":1453741,"authorDomain":"pobox522rlyeh"}

For a long time, the West Wing was my favorite television show. After Aaron Sorkin left, I think the quality of the writing went down noticeably and I lost interest.

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#1.3 - Sat Feb 9, 2008 11:47 PM EST
{"commentId":1456034,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

Exactly my opinion, but more concisely stated. The acting was still good (though not as good) probably because the quality of scripts also dropped.

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#1.4 - Sun Feb 10, 2008 7:37 PM EST
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{"commentId":1422451,"authorDomain":"DrKnow"}

This was a victim of demographics. This one and JAG had rather large and loyal followings. The problem was that it was the older crowd that did not have a lot of 'disposable income' (they had budgets and stuck to them) and did not have brand loyalty (the generic would do just fine). The advertisers want the younger crowd who can still be swayed to make impulse purchases.

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Reply#2 - Thu Jan 31, 2008 3:36 PM EST
{"commentId":1422586,"authorDomain":"chasing"}

I actually think it ended at just the right time - and I'm also one of those few who don't think it's quality suffered overmuch with the departure of Sorkin (I might even say it improved). If it had continued, it would have had to go on at least another four years for there to be true closure - and that's unlikely. So, to me, it ended with the Bartlet administration, which seemed natural.

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Reply#3 - Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:08 PM EST
{"commentId":1422696,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

I think the quality dropped for a season or two after Sorkin left. Then just around the time I gave up on the show the writing improved again, which is one reason why I went back and watched all of the seasons.

If you liked the show you have to try Sports Nite some time.

Incidentally the reason why I happened to republish this when I did is because the actress who played Donna on the show played a single mom/patient of the week on House this week. Just finished my review of the episode

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#3.1 - Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:35 PM EST
{"commentId":1422763,"authorDomain":"DrKnow"}

I have a question. How do you read all those books yet watch so much television as well?

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#3.2 - Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:49 PM EST
{"commentId":1422803,"authorDomain":"chasing"}
If you liked the show you have to try Sports Nite some time.

Oh, I've seen it. It's definitely Sorkin, and I loved it (with the exception of the hunting episode, which I found to be too preachy even by Sorkin standards). Also had walk-and-talks in that. I don't know if he originated those, or just popularized them, but I've seen them all over the place, since. I most recently noticed it on "Dirt".

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#3.3 - Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:55 PM EST
{"commentId":1422856,"authorDomain":"cpg"}

Whether quality dropped or not is subjective, but it definitely became much more tense. What I liked most about seasons 1-4 was the playful banter that broke the tension. The show had a much more serious tone after Sorkin left.

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#3.4 - Thu Jan 31, 2008 5:05 PM EST
{"commentId":1422972,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

Dr. Know I just sort of answered that question over at my seed about Eli Stone.

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#3.5 - Thu Jan 31, 2008 5:30 PM EST
{"commentId":1422993,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

Sorkin's good at writing and dialogue though, as I note/mock, people don't really talk like that. As a writer I love it. But because there is so much writing the scripts are famously much longer than for other shows and some viewers just couldn't get into it.

I agree the writing was more fun with Sorkin and much more forced at times after he left.

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#3.6 - Thu Jan 31, 2008 5:35 PM EST
{"commentId":1423024,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

Television Without Pity, my favorite recapping site, created a term for those walk and talks... which now escapes me. It'll come back to me later. It was something like velochats

Anyway Sorkin used to read the detailed recaps and read the forums and he got so mad about the coverage that its widely believed - including by the site - that the episode where Josh has his own fan site and they're crazy people was Sorkin's way of trying to get revenge.

So that led to a very interesting recap of THAT show.
It was the one called The U.S. Poet Laureate and you can read their recap of it here. An excerpt:

Previously on The West Wing: Toby told President Bartlet that he needs to focus on his qualifications and great big brain and point out his opponent's itty-bitty little Neanderthal brain in order to win the election.

Previously on Television Without Pity: West Wing writer/creator Aaron Sorkin showed up on the boards one day and engaged the posters in conversation. Things went well until he got into an embarrassing fight with one of his own writers on said boards and the press picked up on it. Sorkin apologized and then disappeared for a while from TWoP. He returned one day to find that some fans (and our recapper) had grown a bit more critical of the show and were finding flaws in the way it presented conflicts, particularly regarding Muslims and feminists. Aaron posted defensively that people were taking his "little show" too seriously and that was just trying to entertain, not make any sort of political statements. Then he disappeared again.

I took notes as I watched the shows of some of my favorite comments from the recaps.

There were some of the headlines for their show recaps:

WTF? Swiss Diplomacy - Most likely to be remembered as "The One Sorkin Didn't Write."

and this Recap Breathe Regular Twenty Five - Sorkin waltzes out and sticks us with a Republican President. Like we don't have enough real-life problems in that department. Dude, that's just harsh.

Extra POTUS is in the House The West Wing Meets Architectural Digest - Martin and Janet Sheen live way better than you do. Hell, the wastebaskets on The West Wing sets live better than you do.

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#3.7 - Thu Jan 31, 2008 5:43 PM EST
{"commentId":1426716,"authorDomain":"vacelts"}

I love Sorkin's flair for dialogue. You gave a great example in your article, Scott.

He also have very likeable, but flawed characters. You can see it in West Wing, Sports Night and Studio 60.

My only complain is that he can get a bit preachy from time to time.

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#3.8 - Fri Feb 1, 2008 4:29 PM EST
{"commentId":1427678,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}
I love Sorkin's flair for dialogue. You gave a great example in your article, Scott.

Thanks.

He also have very likeable, but flawed characters. You can see it in West Wing, Sports Night and Studio 60.

My only complain is that he can get a bit preachy from time to time.

Yes and I think that was one of the downfalls of Studio 60

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#3.9 - Fri Feb 1, 2008 11:01 PM EST
{"commentId":1428398,"authorDomain":"vacelts"}
Yes and I think that was one of the downfalls of Studio 60

I'd agree. I didn't even watch the finale episodes when they finally showed them for that reason.

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#3.10 - Sat Feb 2, 2008 9:27 AM EST
{"commentId":1430201,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

I watched the first two episodes and fired i'd watch the rest when it went to dvd if it went to a second season.

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#3.11 - Sat Feb 2, 2008 10:41 PM EST
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{"commentId":1423043,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

I found this a great look at the show via a review of the show's scripts written by Sorkin

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Reply#4 - Thu Jan 31, 2008 5:49 PM EST
{"commentId":1426697,"authorDomain":"vacelts"}
Fictional presidents are easier to adore than real presidents.

I totally agree. Given the candidates for this election, I'd gladly take President Bartlett, Senator Santos or Senator Vinick.

So, which fictional character would you like to be president?

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Reply#5 - Fri Feb 1, 2008 4:22 PM EST
{"commentId":1427685,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

Man are you following me around with compliments and seeds or is it my imagination? I'm not complaining - just feeling bad that I don't have time to visit your seed right - I've got 8 seeds and article to publish before I go to sleep, which I consider the Newsvine version of the line "miles to go before I sleep."

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#5.1 - Fri Feb 1, 2008 11:03 PM EST
{"commentId":1428405,"authorDomain":"vacelts"}

Actually, I got so far behind on my conversation tracker that I was overwhelmed so I just cleared it. Then I went to your profile because I knew you'd have some good seeds or articles for me to read.

I hope you finally got some sleep.

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#5.2 - Sat Feb 2, 2008 9:29 AM EST
{"commentId":1430205,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

Indeed I did, thanks for asking.

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#5.3 - Sat Feb 2, 2008 10:42 PM EST
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{"commentId":1430222,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

Did anyone eles Charlie Wilson's War? I think Sorkin wrote it or co-wrote it.

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Reply#6 - Sat Feb 2, 2008 10:51 PM EST
{"commentId":1432046,"authorDomain":"vacelts"}

Yes, Sorkin did the screenplay. I haven't seen the movie yet. It's on my list. My husband's reading the book right now.

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#6.1 - Sun Feb 3, 2008 5:25 PM EST
{"commentId":1432546,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

I saw it and there were moments when I was like, "hey, that's totally the way Sorkin writes," which has its strengths and weaknesses.

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#6.2 - Sun Feb 3, 2008 9:04 PM EST
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    Reply#7 - Fri Feb 15, 2008 1:23 AM EST
    {"commentId":1514598,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

    One more reason to like the West Wing: It predicted this election. sort of, or so says
    a new piece up at Slate

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    Reply#8 - Wed Feb 27, 2008 1:40 PM EST
    {"commentId":1515703,"authorDomain":"vacelts"}
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    #8.1 - Wed Feb 27, 2008 7:30 PM EST
    {"commentId":1517893,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

    Thanks, Vacelts

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    #8.2 - Thu Feb 28, 2008 11:56 AM EST
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    {"commentId":1688541,"authorDomain":"courts"}

    The West Wing is my all-time favorite television series. The West Wing Staff it depicts represent what I want out of my political leaders.

    After being evacuated from the Virginia Tech campus on April 16th I went home and watched the Bartlett speech that begins "joy cometh in the morning" and ends "they weren't born wanting to do this."

    I miss this series and the vision it represented.

    Scott, a wonderful glimpse into my favorite show.

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      Reply#9 - Mon Apr 14, 2008 12:15 AM EDT
      {"commentId":1689477,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

      Thanks a lot, Courts. I thought it might be after talking to you. Incidentally I'd love to read that book you had about the show. What was it called?

      After being evacuated from the Virginia Tech campus on April 16th I went home and watched the Bartlett speech that begins "joy cometh in the morning" and ends "they weren't born wanting to do this."

      Wow, great choice.

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      #9.1 - Mon Apr 14, 2008 10:04 AM EDT
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      {"commentId":2351736,"authorDomain":"ProgrammerDude"}

      In some ways, it's the Star Trek of Politics. It has the same idealized dream: Wouldn't it be great if it was really this way, and it could be if we all get smart and learn to get along.

      And make no mistake. I share that dream. Very much. Part of what makes these shows work is that they demonstrate that the dream is possible. Granted, we'll need cheap anti-matter to make the Trek dream possible, but the West Wing dream is within our grasp.

      One distinction I may have from many who've posted here is that shows, like Star Trek and The West Wing, are so far above the normal and have so much to say that I cut them a great deal of slack.

      I know it's possible to feel a sense of betrayal sometimes. A good example is what the first Mission Impossible movie did to Jim Phelps. Maybe I'm an easy sell, but the worst episode of Trek or TTW so far outshines most of the other crap that I can't imagine tuning out.

      This is too interesting a topic for me to relegate to comments. I'll be back with a link someday soon.

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      Reply#10 - Sat Aug 2, 2008 8:57 PM EDT
      {"commentId":2355324,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}
      is is too interesting a topic for me to relegate to comments. I'll be back with a link someday soon.

      By all means write your own story. And definitely post a link when you do.

      Politics. It has the same idealized dream: Wouldn't it be great if it was really this way, and it could be if we all get smart and learn to get along.

      And make no mistake. I share that dream

      So could we extend that theory to his other shows? Is Sports Nite his idea of how sports programs should be? And how does his last failed series fit into that theory? Why do you think it didn' succeed?

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      #10.1 - Sun Aug 3, 2008 2:50 PM EDT
      {"commentId":2355600,"authorDomain":"ProgrammerDude"}
      So could we extend that theory to his other shows?

      Interesting question! The American President certainly has another idealized President. It may be that he longs for politics to be better, so his politically-based scripts reflect that longing. Same as how Roddenberry longed for a better future for mankind.

      Perhaps his other work falls more into the category of ripping good yarns.

      As for Studio 60, that's hard to say. Didn't grab the audience, apparently. Highly intelligent shows often fail, sad to say. Or maybe Matt Perry just wasn't all that? I liked the show and was sad it didn't succeed, but it was no patch on TWW.

      Maybe it's that Sports Night and Studio 60 were "just" really, really good shows with great dialog, whereas TWW was all that, plus it had something important to say.

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      #10.2 - Sun Aug 3, 2008 3:46 PM EDT
      {"commentId":2356396,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}
      Maybe it's that Sports Night and Studio 60 were "just" really, really good shows with great dialog, whereas TWW was all that, plus it had something important to say.

      Maybe. I hope others will stop by and share their theories.

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      #10.3 - Sun Aug 3, 2008 6:38 PM EDT
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      {"commentId":3833635,"authorDomain":"abcrow"}

      Thanks for pointing me to this thread, Scott. I felt like the quality of the show did decrease slightly when Sorkin left. But the strength of the characters, and how the writers allowed the audience to know them, helped the series remain strong.

      My favorite episode, for a couple of reasons, both painful, was Posse Comitatus. It was the first time I heard Jeff Buckley's "Hallelujah," and Mark Harmon's character was killed in the convenience store shootout.

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      Reply#11 - Sun Nov 2, 2008 10:50 AM EST
      {"commentId":3834458,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

      That was one of the best episodes. glad you liked this piece.

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      #11.1 - Sun Nov 2, 2008 12:03 PM EST
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      {"commentId":3835129,"authorDomain":"cletuswilbury"}

      I never watched West Wing when it was on, but a friend let me borrow the DVDs. I thought it was great, seems to explain the political process pretty well. My next door neighbor, who is very apolitical, also enjoyed the DVDs very much.

      I thought Alan Alda did a darn good GOPer. Probably much credit for that goes to the writers. A very well written series overall.

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      Reply#12 - Sun Nov 2, 2008 1:05 PM EST
      {"commentId":3841560,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

      I went back and watched all of the series on dvd last year and they stood the test of time well.

      I wasn't sure I'd be able to see Alda as anything but his character on MASH but he pulled it off.

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      #12.1 - Sun Nov 2, 2008 11:12 PM EST
      {"commentId":3947951,"authorDomain":"ProgrammerDude"}

      It's like William Shatner.  After I'd seen him in a number of other roles, he stopped being "Captain Kirk" to me.

      Seeing Alda in some of the more notable ones, such as Same Time, Next Year or the Woodie Allen movies or Murder at 1600 all helped erase Hawkeye!

      By the time TWW came around, it wasn't much of a problem (and he was really quite good in that, I thought).

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      #12.2 - Thu Nov 6, 2008 7:00 PM EST
      {"commentId":4099480,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

      Maybe that's the problem - I didn't see Alda in enough other productions.

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      #12.3 - Mon Nov 17, 2008 4:58 PM EST
      {"commentId":4104034,"authorDomain":"cletuswilbury"}

      I remembered Alda as a rather outspoken Democrat. I'm not finding much about that, other than "Briefly considered a run for the Democratic nomination for U.S. Senate in New Jersey after Bill Bradley announced his retirement in 1995."

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      #12.4 - Mon Nov 17, 2008 11:32 PM EST
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      {"commentId":4106275,"authorDomain":"yorkark"}

      West Wing was not only a good series it was a great series.  It was an education in how government works.  It explained the various positions within the WH and surrounding the Oval office.  It gave you a real insight into what happens in government.   The trade offs, the intrigue, the corruption, the tensions.  It was all in this series and I miss it also. 

      I think I am going to get the DVD series and rewatch it again.  Thanks for the idea and the recall of a very pleasant time for me and TV.  

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      Reply#13 - Tue Nov 18, 2008 7:40 AM EST
      {"commentId":4112472,"authorDomain":"ProgrammerDude"}

      I never watched the show when it was on and only discovered it through DVDs once it was cancelled. I've watched the entire series twice now and will probably watch it again very soon!

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      #13.1 - Tue Nov 18, 2008 2:09 PM EST
      {"commentId":4112642,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

      I watched it live but stopped at one point when I was disappointed then went back and watched it all again. Whenever I see something really crappy I remember how good tv can be and West Wing and Sports Night are good examples of how good tv can be.

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      #13.2 - Tue Nov 18, 2008 2:18 PM EST
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      There's a spot-on observation in this list of the 50 best American tv shows - we're discussing the list here - namely

      . The West Wing

      At one particular point television stopped becoming a dirty word for American actors. Rather than seeing TV as a career graveyard, leading talents were actively seeking out roles on the small screen. That moment was the critically acclaimed first season of The West Wing. Intelligent, fast paced and challenging, the show rewards you just for keeping up.

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      Reply#14 - Sat Apr 18, 2009 10:04 PM EDT
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