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Dvd Review: Devil's Playground (about the Amish)

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The Amish, according to this mesmerizing 2002 documentary, have a concept that I find fascinating: an Amish rite of passage called Rumspringa, which is translated as "running around." This starts when they turn 16.

The idea of Rumpsringa is that Amish teenagers are allowed to break all the traditional Amish rules and explore the "English" world. As this documentary about the time period shows with actual footage, these Amish teens often go wild with drinking and drug use and, in one featurered youth's case, dealing drugs. The ritual usually ends around age 18-22 when the person makes a major life-changing decision: Whether to stay outside the Amish world or return to it?

They can choose at that point to not return to Amish life, but that essentially means saying goodbye to their family and community forever. While a few – including one in this documentary – make that choice – the film says that 90 percent of them return to the church. If they do return to the church but later leave it, as one featured does, they are shunned by the church since it is interpreted as breaking a promise with their faith.

This also means that some are returning to the fold while pregnant or dealing with a drug addiction. The Amish don't baptize their members until after this ritual is over, under the logic that members should be able to decide for themselves if they want to be baptized. One notes that Jesus was not baptized until he was in his major 30s. It made me wonder if it would not make more sense for more faiths to wait until people are adults before baptizing them.

The film's title comes from the Amish name for the outside world, the Devil's Playground. I showed this movie at my Unitarian Universalist church Sunday both because I find this ritual fascinating and because I knew it would provoke an interesting discussion about faith and whether it would make sense for other organization religions to have essentially a "time out" period.

For example, I grew up Catholic but I knew that the no sex before marriage rule was one that would be broken. But during my teenage years we had classes about confirmation, got confirmed, went to college and then rarely went back to Catholic church again except when visiting my mom, who is still Catholic. So that didn't exactly work as planned.

Would I still be Catholic if I was allowed for one year to sin all I wanted before deciding whether I want to say, via confirmation, that I was going to stay Catholic for the rest of my life? Maybe. Well, in my case it's doubtful because I have trouble with authorities and group-think. However, I know some lapsed catholics who might have stayed with the faith had there been a permissible time to have sex – perhaps with people of their own gender- and break other rules – before choosing to remain Catholic for the rest of their lives.

The same could be said for other faiths as well. How would that affect other faiths, be it Muslim, Judaism, Budhism, etc? Would this be a good way for people to test their faiths? I set up this article as a place where we can discuss this but we can just do it here as well.

One of the excellent points raised during the discussion at church was what this ritual says about how the Amish view the lives of the non-Amish, who they call The English. Do they really think our days are built around sex, drugs and rock and roll? Well, ok, maybe it is for some in college but I don't think that's the case for the average person. Things like jobs and other commitments, not to mention running out money, get in the way.

The film also has surprises, particularly the prevalence of cell phones and the explanation that decisions not to have items such as television and cars has less to do with electricity (as is commonly claimed) as what the possible effect and impact of the item on the faith and a community. Television, for example, could negatively affect relationships and people's behavior so it is banned.

The dvd comes with a director's commentary in which she talks about what some of the members featured are up to now and how she got such amazing footage. The director, Lucy Walker, also has an article here where she discusses some of those issues.

If you want to see a fascinating movie providing a glimpse into a little known ritual of Amish life check out this movie.

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Warning: The movie does contain profanity and adult situations, which is about what you'd expect for a movie of this type.

While the movie is less than 80 minutes it provides much food for thought

Related: An NPR report on the movie

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  • 4 votes
Reply#1 - Sun Jan 20, 2008 10:56 PM EST
{"commentId":1384393,"authorDomain":"sokabs"}

Thanks for the review Scott. This is, indeed, an excellent film. It can, however, provide the wrong impression that this occurs in every Amish community. The fact is that Rumpsringa is a phenomenon that is not shared among all Amish communities (meaning that it simply does not exist or happen in many of them). As long as people realize that the subjects of this video are limited to one very specific Indiana community and not the Amish as a whole, it's very educational. You're right, it does provide good food for thought.

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#1.1 - Sun Jan 20, 2008 11:06 PM EST
{"commentId":1384466,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

Thanks for that. So does that mean the Amissh that live closer to me - in Lancaster, Pa. area - don't do this ritual?

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  • 3 votes
#1.2 - Sun Jan 20, 2008 11:31 PM EST
{"commentId":1384488,"authorDomain":"sokabs"}

I'm not sure about the Amish in Lancaster. I do know that most of the communities in northern Indiana (which were the primary Subjects of Devil's Playground, and are located within 1/2 hour drive from me) do, while those further west (in Iowa, for example) tend not to. None of the southern Michigan Amish that I know have a Rumspringa. The Amish, for all their outward appearances, are not as homogeneous as we "English" think.

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  • 5 votes
#1.3 - Sun Jan 20, 2008 11:42 PM EST
{"commentId":1385049,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

Ok, well, that explains why when I was doing some research for the discussion at least one report referred to the "alleged ritual."I though they were just being extra careful in their phrasing.

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#1.4 - Mon Jan 21, 2008 8:06 AM EST
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{"commentId":1385059,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

So what do you guys think about the questions I raise? Should we wait until adulthood to be baptized as occurs with some faiths?

Am I right or wrong about whether this ritual would be good for other faits?

The same could be said for other faiths as well. How would that affect other faiths, be it Muslim, Judaism, Budhism, etc? Would this be a good way for people to test their faiths? I set up this article as a place where we can discuss this but we can just do it here as well.
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  • 3 votes
Reply#2 - Mon Jan 21, 2008 8:16 AM EST
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Should we wait until adulthood to be baptized as occurs with some faiths?

I think it depends on what you think happens to your soul before you are baptised. What happens if a child dies before they reach adulthood?

I want my children baptised. As a parent, I think it's my duty (which I'm slacking on by the way) to make sure that my children basically "insured with God" until they are old enough to make their own decision.

Once they are old enough, it's up to them to decide how they are going to live their life.

Sure it's probably a little antiquated, but it makes me feel better.

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  • 3 votes
#2.1 - Mon Jan 21, 2008 3:30 PM EST
{"commentId":1389528,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

Incidentally I wrote this under the assumption that the average reader was a) unfamiliar with this ritual and b) would not have known the term anabaptists if i'd used it. Was I right on those two counts?

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  • 1 vote
#2.2 - Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:10 PM EST
{"commentId":1389571,"authorDomain":"vacelts"}
Was I right on those two counts?

I think that's a fair assumption.

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  • 1 vote
#2.3 - Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:22 PM EST
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God made us in His own image, are we not arrogant, in thinking we make the choice of religion for a child?....to have them Babtized....like they are sinful....sounds like the work of "man"....religion; God gave us choice, how dare we, as parents, try to take that away from our children....an option, of salvation, that is up to the individual; Jesus made the choice, after years of being on this planet. ...God never took that right to make the decision from "us", or His Son, we, take that will from our children.; But to the surprise of many parents, children take the God given right back, to make their own choices Many stumble along the path, but they come full circle, not because of the parents, or the "religion", but because of God....asking His forgiveness, having humility and gratitude for their souls...as He, had planned.

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  • 1 vote
#2.4 - Sun Oct 5, 2008 12:00 AM EDT
{"commentId":3326112,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

Good points, Jan. Might I ask what your religion is? I'm a Unitarian Universalist as I wrote about here.

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    #2.5 - Sun Oct 5, 2008 7:01 PM EDT
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    {"commentId":1385783,"authorDomain":"edoughty"}

    Where I grew up, in Central Illinois, there is a religious denomination called "Apostolic Christian" that has some similarities to the Amish. Though they do allow electricity in their houses and they do use farm machinery, they prohibit television and movies and they also have the "running around" period until each individual makes the choice to join the church (rules and all) or not to join.

    I guess the baptism-at-an-older-age thing has benefits; on the other hand, it emphasizes the part of the individual. My own Lutheran denomination baptizes infants, with the reasoning that the work done in Baptism is God's work, not ours; and it is complete gift; not dependent on anything we know or do. And I think that's pretty cool.

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    Reply#3 - Mon Jan 21, 2008 12:21 PM EST
    {"commentId":1386219,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

    I think part of the answer as to why religions like Catholicism baptize at birth is because they want to baptize then in case something happens before they become become adults to make sure they go to heaven.

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    • 3 votes
    #3.1 - Mon Jan 21, 2008 2:30 PM EST
    {"commentId":1386613,"authorDomain":"len20"}

    Don't forget that baptism is also used as a sign of God's covenant promise to His people. I don't necessarily believe that it's a salvation issue. I think it's part of the Judeo-Christian heritage that's been handed down for millennia along with circumcision to symbolize belonging to God's family.

    Also, for the sake of argument, many denominations that practice infant baptism (mine included) point to Acts 16:33 when Paul baptized the jailor and his entire family at once.

    These denominations pair a person's experience of baptism as an infant with their later confirmation rite as an adult as the completion or confirmation (by an individual's choice) of their commitment to follow Christ. To them, baptism and confirmation are the two halves that make a whole in a person's commitment to Christ's teachings.

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    #3.2 - Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:30 PM EST
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    {"commentId":1386231,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

    One other note about the movie. The statistic at the end of the movie notes that not only do 90 percent of the Amish return to the church after this ritual - despite the allures of the outside world such as cars and clothes - but that the retention rate is the highest in the churches history.

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    Reply#4 - Mon Jan 21, 2008 2:33 PM EST
    {"commentId":1386420,"authorDomain":"vacelts"}
    Would I still be Catholic if I was allowed for one year to sin all I wanted before deciding whether I want to say, via confirmation, that I was going to stay Catholic for the rest of my life?

    It wouldn't have helped me. I was raised Catholic, even have a nun for an aunt (who I respect fully). But I think some of their rules are unrealistic in today's society, or at least my life. For me, my relationship with God should be between me and God.

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    • 3 votes
    Reply#5 - Mon Jan 21, 2008 3:35 PM EST
    {"commentId":1386475,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}

    Hi Scott - thanks for this review. I've always been fascinated by the Amish people. I recently read a novel by Jodi Picoult called "Plain Truth" about the murder of a newborn Amish child. The story was just so so but I did enjoy the glimpse into the Amish home life of the baby's teenaged mother. I've never visited Lancaster County but it remains on my must do soon list (particularly at some point in the fall for foliage).

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    Reply#6 - Mon Jan 21, 2008 3:50 PM EST
    {"commentId":1389533,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

    Well, if you come to Lancaster County, Pa. let me know first because I live about 90 minutes of it and I'd want to accompany you.

    Thanks for the compliment on the review.

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    • 2 votes
    #6.1 - Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:13 PM EST
    {"commentId":1389580,"authorDomain":"vacelts"}

    There is a great Amish festival in Kutztown the first week of July. We went last year and it was a blast. I highly recommend it if you are in the area.

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    • 1 vote
    #6.2 - Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:25 PM EST
    {"commentId":1389615,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}

    Scott - 6.1 - we could have a mini-vinemeet in Lancaster---but somehow I'm not certain that is the proper venue!

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    • 2 votes
    #6.3 - Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:37 PM EST
    {"commentId":1389899,"authorDomain":"vacelts"}
    I'm not certain that is the proper venue

    Not unless you are trying to help those Amish teenagers with their Rumpsringa. ;-)

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    • 2 votes
    #6.4 - Tue Jan 22, 2008 4:02 PM EST
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    {"commentId":1392031,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

    We have some local Amish and a larger community of mennonites who share some traits with the Amish but drive cars.

    I have a friend who buys food from the Amish and sells it as organic food to the DC area. This worked great until she needed a tow truck when her car broke down. They towed it.. with two buggies.

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    • 2 votes
    Reply#7 - Wed Jan 23, 2008 7:53 AM EST
    {"commentId":1392041,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

    How's this:

    Lancaster F2F – don't expect to get wireless connections from locals.
    First one to get an Amish person to leave their faith to join newsvine wins an RAV and/or an exit ticket to HELL.

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    • 1 vote
    Reply#8 - Wed Jan 23, 2008 7:56 AM EST
    {"commentId":1394119,"authorDomain":"raatkiraani"}

    Scott - good review; one to watch.

    A question. Is this really for Bubblewrap? Seems a bit far-fetched for Positive Vibes on the Vine.

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    • 2 votes
    Reply#9 - Wed Jan 23, 2008 6:33 PM EST
    {"commentId":1398005,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

    Oh, you're right. I should not have clipped it to that group so if you have the power unbubblewrap it.

    Thanks for the compliment.

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    • 2 votes
    #9.1 - Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:45 PM EST
    {"commentId":1398319,"authorDomain":"raatkiraani"}

    Bubblewrap no more!

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    • 2 votes
    #9.2 - Thu Jan 24, 2008 7:16 PM EST
    {"commentId":1398399,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

    awed by your power.

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    • 1 vote
    #9.3 - Thu Jan 24, 2008 7:34 PM EST
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    {"commentId":5070560,"authorDomain":"MrsBrady"}

    I wanted to see this one but I missed this one ..I will have to get a copy now :)

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    • 1 vote
    Reply#10 - Thu Jan 29, 2009 6:27 PM EST
    {"commentId":5073181,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

    I know Netflix has it. It's also available locally where I live but that may be because we have an amish and mennonite population.

    I like the idea of choosing whether one wants to be baptized.

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    • 1 vote
    #10.1 - Thu Jan 29, 2009 8:52 PM EST
    {"commentId":5073316,"authorDomain":"MrsBrady"}

    Not to far from here there is an Amish community about a hour away. The one sad thing I have heard though is that if they decide to not to be baptized or to leave the faith then they consider them dead to their family and community but I am not sure if that is every Amish group or not.

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    • 1 vote
    #10.2 - Thu Jan 29, 2009 9:01 PM EST
    {"commentId":5092048,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

    Yes that's standard and that is a big part of the movie: after they spend a year or two breaking the usual rules (drinking, having sex, whatever) they have to decide to continue their lifestyle but be dead to their family or renounce it and return to the fold.

    There is also a trend of some inbreeding which leads to some genetic problems.

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    • 2 votes
    #10.3 - Fri Jan 30, 2009 7:56 PM EST
    {"commentId":5092226,"authorDomain":"MrsBrady"}

    I will have to check that one out also soon. It is sad for the kids to have to pick either "normal" type life or there family and friends .I cant see how a Mother or a Father could ever pretend their child was dead like they do.

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    • 1 vote
    #10.4 - Fri Jan 30, 2009 8:07 PM EST
    {"commentId":5092304,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

    if you can't get the movie you can read the npr piece linked to at 1.

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    • 1 vote
    #10.5 - Fri Jan 30, 2009 8:13 PM EST
    {"commentId":5092327,"authorDomain":"MrsBrady"}

    Thanks Scott :)

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    • 1 vote
    #10.6 - Fri Jan 30, 2009 8:14 PM EST
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    {"commentId":9848073,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

    The episode of Bones this week reminded me of this documentary. This review by Redsfan will explain why.

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