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Empathy: Could It Be What You're Missing From Your Doctor? A Washington Psychotherapist Suggests How to Tell . . . and How to Treat the Symptoms

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This is spot on as far as I'm concerned.

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You may not realize it, but a great number of people suffer from EDD. No, you're not reading a misprint of ADD or ED. The acronym stands for empathy deficit disorder.

Nor will you find it listed in the American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, even though that tome has been expanding as normal variations of mood and temperament have increasingly been defined as disorders. I'm hesitant to suggest adding another one. But this one is real.

Based on my 35 years of experience as a psychotherapist, business psychologist and researcher, I have come to believe that EDD is a pervasive but overlooked condition with profound consequences

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Reply#1 - Wed Jan 9, 2008 1:26 PM EST
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firsty

sounds to me like a touchy-feely way of describing sociopaths. are we not prepared to accept the possibility that there are more of those out there than we'd like to think?

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i mean - the aritlce gives 3 examples of people possibly "suffering" from EDD - one who couldnt care less about his wife's life, one who expresses an entirely racist attitude towards muslims, and one would sooner have his grandchildren drown than consider his energy use.

taken outside the context of our current culture, which always complicates reality (as in: making a similar remark about native americans in 2008 would be treated as racism, not EDD), these are examples of people who are incapable of appreciating right or wrong when it comes to others. thats not a borderline personality disorder, thats a sociopath.

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Reply#2 - Wed Jan 9, 2008 1:42 PM EST
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Scott (Scoop) Butki

I don't know if I'd say that everyone low or short on empathy is a "sociopath."

I think the bigger question is if someone is missing empathy, can they learn to
get it back, if they ever had it?

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#2.1 - Wed Jan 9, 2008 1:50 PM EST
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firsty

i guess if these people can be trained in therapy to behave otherwise, it's a step towards allowing that maybe they arent actually sociopaths but rather confused individuals.

but if it's confusion which is creating the lack of empathy, then it's not really either sociopathic behavior or a less dramatic personality disorder. rather, it would seem to me to be the same kind of ignorance or wrongheaded interpretations that fuel racial profiling or unbridled corporate greed.

there can be degrees of this, though, and i guess i'm considering "EDD" to be towards the more benign stretch of behaviors classified as associated with the "sociopath".

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#2.2 - Wed Jan 9, 2008 3:05 PM EST
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Brenda Mayer

The relationship between lack of empathy and sociopathy was my first thought as well. However, lack of empathy is only one of several facets of the sociopathic personality. By itself it is just a thought pattern or personality characteristic, nothing more.

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#2.3 - Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:53 PM EST
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Scott (Scoop) Butki

I think personally I feel sometimes have too much empathy, by which I mean I'm easily affected by other people's emotions and problems. I know some who seem devoid of empathy, or at least act that way.

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Reply#3 - Wed Jan 9, 2008 1:57 PM EST
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firsty

I think personally I feel sometimes have too much empathy, by which I mean I'm easily affected by other people's emotions and problems.

and that is the suffering assigned to the compassionate ones. writers and other artists are sometimes referred to as having a "hypersensitivity" to their experiences. on the up side, it provides us with ways to view and appreciate the reality of others, which makes for great art, great books, and great music. on the downside, writers and other artists — the brilliant ones — the ones responsible for great works — like to kill themselves, cut off their ears, and otherwise become consumed by the effort it takes to constantly relive the painful empathy they cant avoid.

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#3.1 - Wed Jan 9, 2008 3:12 PM EST
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Scott (Scoop) Butki

"cut off their ears"? Has anyone done this besides Van Gogh?

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#3.2 - Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:06 PM EST
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firsty

i hope not. but i couldnt think of anything off the top of my head to add to suicide. i guess the various forms of artist suicide would have sufficed.

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#3.3 - Thu Jan 10, 2008 3:01 PM EST
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Brenda Mayer

Sometimes I wish I didn't have so much empathy, too. Sometimes I'd really rather be blissfully ignorant. Then again, that would lead to a rather bland existence, possibly. Also, I wonder if I had less empathy for painful experiences I'd feel joyful experiences less acutely as well.

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#3.4 - Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:58 PM EST
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Scott (Scoop) Butki

This issue of empathy is one of the issues I often struggled with regarding my dad because he seemed - and I'm not sure if know that he's gone I'll ever know - not to have empathy for others. But maybe he just acted that way.

I thought of this article Friday while working with two special needs adults. One of them had a manic episode and got really angry and acted quite selfish and I thought about whether he had empathy. Later, though, he went out of his way to explain that while he's angry, he's not angry about or with me, and I was like damn, this guy has more empathy - or concern for others - than most people I know.

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#3.5 - Sat Jan 12, 2008 8:13 PM EST
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Scott (Scoop) Butki

I read something today I thought relevant to both this discussion of empathy and this discussion of the war. It was from an for Ralph White who studied war psychology:

He was perhaps best known for his theory distinguishing between empathy and sympathy for one's adversaries.

"Empathy is the great corrective for all forms of war-promoting misperception," he wrote in his 1984 book "Fearful Warriors: A Psychological Profile of U.S.-Soviet Relations."

"It means simply understanding the thoughts and feelings of others. It is distinguished from sympathy, which is defined as feeling with others -- as being in agreement with them. Empathy with opponents is therefore psychologically possible even when a conflict is so intense that sympathy is out of the question. We are not talking about warmth or approval, and certainly not about agreeing with, or siding with, but only about realistic understanding."

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Reply#4 - Sat Jan 12, 2008 2:06 PM EST
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Brenda Mayer

Just as you can develop EDD by too much self-absorption, you can also overcome EDD by retraining your brain to take advantage of what is known as neuroplasticity. Similar research shows that as you refocus your thoughts, feelings and behavior in the direction you desire, the brain regions associated with them are reinforced. What's more, changing your brain activity reinforces the changes you're making in your thinking. The result is a self-reinforcing loop between your conscious attitudes, your behavior and your brain activity.

While I agree it is probable that people can learn to be more empathetic, I doubt that most people lacking empathy will feel any impetus to change.

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Reply#5 - Sat Jan 12, 2008 7:00 PM EST
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What about with experiments like this?

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