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Surge Seen in Number of Homeless Veterans

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More than 400 veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan have turned up homeless, and that number is expected to grow.

(edited to change the title - originally "Why Are The War Supporters Turning a Blind Eye To Homeless War Veterans? Why have I not heard their clamors to help?"

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{"commentId":1168722,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

– Now is this any way to welcome them back? Support the troops? Where are all the war supporters who could be offering up their home to these soldiers?

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Reply#1 - Thu Nov 8, 2007 1:26 PM EST
{"commentId":1168758,"authorDomain":"SVForbes"}

This seems to happen after every war.

Not sure why.

Perhaps PTSD is too complex and hence expensive to treat long term.

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#1.1 - Thu Nov 8, 2007 1:38 PM EST
{"commentId":1168789,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

Yeah but this time it's not AFTER the war - it's during a war of indeterminable length so this is just the early waves.

I'm reminded of the abortion debate comment asking if abortion opponents are going to offer to adopt the kids who are not wanted.

It just breaks my heart.

How telling would it be if some war opponents were the ones who take these guys (and women) in?

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#1.2 - Thu Nov 8, 2007 1:45 PM EST
{"commentId":1168790,"authorDomain":"DrKnow"}

Do you really want someone that has been trained to kill with his bare hands in your home with anger management issues?

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#1.3 - Thu Nov 8, 2007 1:46 PM EST
{"commentId":1168976,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

Do you really want him in your alleyway instead?

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#1.4 - Thu Nov 8, 2007 2:38 PM EST
{"commentId":1169389,"authorDomain":"SVForbes"}
How telling would it be if some war opponents were the ones who take these guys (and women) in?

An excellent point, Scott.

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#1.5 - Thu Nov 8, 2007 4:38 PM EST
{"commentId":1171815,"authorDomain":"shiki"}

The truth is that people don't really give a damn about vets. As a teen in DC homeless vets used to live in tents at freedom plaza as a protest. Protesting for being used up and thrown away, protesting about the MIAs and POWs, other soldiers that were just left to rot.

The way America treats her vets is shameful.

Soldiers face neglect, Frustration at Army's Top Medical Facility

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#1.6 - Fri Nov 9, 2007 12:31 PM EST
{"commentId":1171892,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}
The truth is that people don't really give a damn about vets.

Some people do. Let's watch the generalities.

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#1.7 - Fri Nov 9, 2007 12:53 PM EST
{"commentId":1172044,"authorDomain":"shiki"}
Some people do. Let's watch the generalities.

yes some people do. But I think a great many people feel like if it doesn't affect me it isn't my problem.

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#1.8 - Fri Nov 9, 2007 1:35 PM EST
{"commentId":1177317,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}
But I think a great many people feel like if it doesn't affect me it isn't my problem.

Well, I think that's true which is why I was pointing out what I see as a disconnect between "support the troops" and "house the troops when they come home."

I admit that as Dr. Know pointed out I'm being pie in the sky this which is one reason I changed the headline. If some are homeless and suffering from Post traumatic stress disorder do you want them in your house? Well, probably not. But is this really how we're going to welcome the troops home?

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#1.9 - Sun Nov 11, 2007 7:28 PM EST
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{"commentId":1169003,"authorDomain":"ivy-mike"}

"I cut myself off from my family and went from being a pleasant guy to wanting to rip your head off if you looked at me wrong," Mr. Johnson said.

On the street for a year, he finally checked in at a V.A. clinic in Maryland and has struggled with PTSD, depression, and drug and alcohol abuse. The V.A. has provided temporary housing as he starts a new job.

Perhaps a different way to look at this may be it's the vets choice. I find some blame in our government but a lot of being in the military is being able to pick yourself up and dust off.

I really wish you wouldn't have titled the article the way you did Scott. How many vets do you have in your home?

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Reply#2 - Thu Nov 8, 2007 2:46 PM EST
{"commentId":1169082,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

I live alone.

I'll retitle this

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#2.1 - Thu Nov 8, 2007 3:06 PM EST
{"commentId":1169090,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

Better? I went back to the actual headline from the newspaper.

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#2.2 - Thu Nov 8, 2007 3:08 PM EST
{"commentId":1169098,"authorDomain":"ivy-mike"}

Thank you, very honorable of you.

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#2.3 - Thu Nov 8, 2007 3:12 PM EST
{"commentId":1169314,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

You're welcome.
Note to self: don't choose headlines when angry and/or having gone more than 12 hours without chocolte.

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#2.4 - Thu Nov 8, 2007 4:16 PM EST
{"commentId":1169523,"authorDomain":"vacelts"}

Somebody please get this man some chocolate!

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#2.5 - Thu Nov 8, 2007 5:13 PM EST
{"commentId":1170667,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

I'd love to hear that on House sometime: "get this patient chocolate, stat."

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  • 4 votes
#2.6 - Fri Nov 9, 2007 12:46 AM EST
{"commentId":1170921,"authorDomain":"vacelts"}

More people would definitely go to the doctor then.

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#2.7 - Fri Nov 9, 2007 7:00 AM EST
{"commentId":1170975,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

I should change my name to Dr. Chocolate and open up my own clinic.

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  • 2 votes
#2.8 - Fri Nov 9, 2007 7:43 AM EST
{"commentId":1172329,"authorDomain":"SVForbes"}
I'd love to hear that on House sometime: "get this patient chocolate, stat."

I do think more people would visit a doctor if they could prescribe chocolate instead of some bitter pill.

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#2.9 - Fri Nov 9, 2007 2:59 PM EST
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{"commentId":1169079,"authorDomain":"vacelts"}

Coming back from any long-term deployment, but especially one that involves combat, is hard on a soldier and his family. They have a hard time reintegrating themselves back into the life they knew before they left, a life that has gone on without them. This fact alone leads to domestic issues that might cause the solider to leave their home.

Many single veterans give up their home when deployed long-term and put their stuff in storage so when they return they really have no place to go.

Add issues like PTSD, alcoholism, financial issues etc. and you can see where it goes bad quickly.

We have too long underestimated the effects of these long-term deployments on the men and women that serve and protect us.

The idea that the VA officers are trolling homeless shelters and soup kitchens to find vets instead of working with them and counseling them as soon as they return to help integrate them back into society is a good example of how we've missed the boat.

Being a Navy brat, we've often had sailors stay with us until they got back on their feet. But it shouldn't come down to individuals to offer their homes to the men and women serving this country. We as a country should be stepping up to this plate.

How many housing is available on bases and posts for single sailors/soldiers? Can we offer short-term housing to returning vets who are leaving the service, but need time to reintegrate into the society?

We can ask these men and women to give up their lives to serve us. Can't we offer them some security in return?

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  • 6 votes
Reply#3 - Thu Nov 8, 2007 3:05 PM EST
{"commentId":1169105,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

Great post. Thanks for those insights.

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  • 3 votes
#3.1 - Thu Nov 8, 2007 3:15 PM EST
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{"commentId":1169192,"authorDomain":"jdl-28"}

OK our vet. can go without, but let give free medical and housing to illegal. Bush does not care about the vet. or the people of this country. He being paid to much money from other source to take us down, and doing a very good job.

Our government should be helping them fine home and jobs, but let give money to Mexico government to fright drugs, which they won't. That money could of help our vets instead.

Our country has change and we are second class citizens now, your replacement is coming from all the other countries, but Bush is smiling.

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  • 3 votes
Reply#4 - Thu Nov 8, 2007 3:41 PM EST
{"commentId":1169217,"authorDomain":"vacelts"}

Bush? What about Congress?

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#4.1 - Thu Nov 8, 2007 3:50 PM EST
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{"commentId":1169626,"authorDomain":"Mars313"}

Maybe we can let them sell yellow "Support Our Troops" ribbons for extra cash....

this is sick, sad, and pathetic. I bet Blackwaters guys don't go homeless

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  • 6 votes
Reply#5 - Thu Nov 8, 2007 5:45 PM EST
{"commentId":1170094,"authorDomain":"DrKnow"}

I believe it is criminal. We send our best to another country and treat them like crap when they come back. We treat illegal immigrants like visiting royalty instead. Why should our service members go to another country for crappy reasons? I would have a hard time fighting for a country that treats me that way.

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Reply#6 - Thu Nov 8, 2007 8:49 PM EST
{"commentId":1170423,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}
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Reply#7 - Thu Nov 8, 2007 10:47 PM EST
{"commentId":1171842,"authorDomain":"TBK"}

My first thoughts are where are the families of these 400 vets? My second question is where are the governmental programs that are suppose to be in place to prevent this from occurring? Lastly, this is why "WE THE PEOPLE" should fire these crazy Senators and Congressmen who are pork barrel crazy. This is no time to spend billions of tax payers dollars on bridges that lead to nowhere. We're going to witness an increase in young veterans returning from war without receiving proper counseling adding to the number of homeless now on the streets.
This is a travesty to those in uniform in today's military service and a black-eye to vets in general. The President ask these brave people to go and fight an unjust war and the same President who sent them refuses to honor pledges made to veteran organizations during his campaign. The promise of free lifetime health care benefits for soldiers and their family members with varying service commitments during various time periods. Our military is under paid and over worked with no end to the madness in sight. It's time out these people stop being used as pawns in the President's chess game on terror and our military receive the care and attention they deserve. Better treatment facilities, shelters for vets, retirement pay, separate disability pay without a 10 year waiting period, and the list goes on but start somewhere and start today!

We have gone from a Super Power to a Super Liar and the rippling effects are going to be devastating for years to come. Let's tie a yellow ribbon around the truth and begin to do something about it. Maybe then we can tell the truth about our boarders and secure them, or the truth about the war and end it, and then there is Corporate greed...stop feeding the beast that's out of control.

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Reply#8 - Fri Nov 9, 2007 12:39 PM EST
{"commentId":1177324,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}
This is no time to spend billions of tax payers dollars on bridges that lead to nowhere. We're going to witness an increase in young veterans returning from war without receiving proper counseling adding to the number of homeless now on the streets.

That's in a nutshell. Well said.

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  • 1 vote
#8.1 - Sun Nov 11, 2007 7:31 PM EST
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{"commentId":1177360,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

This seed and discussion remind me of this older seed about a war vet who was not getting nearly enough help and assistance from the government? After the story ran he got help but I'm pretty sure that was just window dressing as part of public relations damage control.

In both cases we have war vets who seem to be not getting
enough help or attention from the government. And in both cases it may take media
coverage for things to change.

So let's see, we have an unpopular war where many are being killed even though many
- including me - have still not heard a satisfactory answer to the question of why we're
there.

And so if the vets do manage to make it both home alive this is how they're
treated and helped? Are others outraged about this?

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Reply#9 - Sun Nov 11, 2007 7:48 PM EST
{"commentId":1194416,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

Scootter The Man has a good piece about the number of vets committing suicide.

Oldfogey also has a good piece about being a vet dealing with these issues.

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  • 2 votes
Reply#10 - Sat Nov 17, 2007 4:19 PM EST
{"commentId":1194436,"authorDomain":"farmer"}

This thread and discussion are Newsvine at its best. Meaningful answers and solutions can be developed from such endeavors. Of special interest has been those who commented that we should be taking care of our own. Maybe there should be a program where DoD becomes directly responsible for the support of veterans. Feed the hungry in mess halls. House the homeless in base housing. Provide jobs at military installations. Medical care at VA and government hospitals.

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  • 3 votes
Reply#11 - Sat Nov 17, 2007 4:30 PM EST
{"commentId":1194486,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

Exactly. We MUST do more than we are doing now becuase it is clearly presently not enough.

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  • 2 votes
#11.1 - Sat Nov 17, 2007 4:58 PM EST
{"commentId":1197053,"authorDomain":"ivy-mike"}

Scott and oldfogey ~ I haven't seen anyone ask or bring this up so if I missed it let me know. I want to know if anyone has thought that maybe these poor grunts don't want help? Don't get me wrong I feel that in some instances their getting doors slammed in their face but in some cases they don't want help at all. They may feel the military is the reason for their issues so why bother with them? I know when I left I wanted nothing to do with them until a few years down the road and by then it was a few years too late. These vets are coming home with serious issues and many don't want or don't believe they need help. They're not going to let a military doctor get within 10 yards.
I think we need to support the ones over there now. Send them care packages, letters, or anything else that comes to mind. Get a head start on helping them and they may be better once they get back here.

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#11.2 - Sun Nov 18, 2007 7:25 PM EST
{"commentId":1197068,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}
These vets are coming home with serious issues and many don't want or don't believe they need help.

That's possible but I think it more likely they get back and don't know how to deal with their changed reality.

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#11.3 - Sun Nov 18, 2007 7:34 PM EST
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{"commentId":1201793,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

I read this today In Time:
Veterans make up 11 percent of the population but 26 percent of the homeless population

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Reply#12 - Tue Nov 20, 2007 10:56 AM EST
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