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Marine Corps and Some Police Force Banning Tattoos - Is This An Appropriate Request?

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This floored me. What does it matter if cops or soldiers have tattoos?

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East Palo Alto's prohibition may seem like a quirky, isolated incident but in fact is a sign of the times. Over the past six months, tattoo restrictions have been imposed on at least a dozen police departments around the country, and the Marine Corps placed a ban on "excessive body art" for new recruits on April 1. Oddly, the crackdown is occurring at a time when large, excessive tattoos are more popular than ever. Last year a study published in the Journal of the American Academy of Dermatology found that 89% of the men and 48% of the women who wear tattoos have conspicuous and sometimes outlandish designs on their hands, necks, arms, legs, toes and feet. "We are seeing more tattoos than ever before," says Ronald Davis, chief of police at East Palo Alto, where officers are required to hide their ink with clothing or bandages.
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  • 3 votes
Reply#1 - Fri Nov 2, 2007 12:17 AM EDT
{"commentId":1150154,"authorDomain":"TeddRi"}

There still is alot of feeling out there that a Tatoo means soldier or gang member, more so with older people. My Dad (87) is ok with the small military type tatoo, but feels very uneasy with the large full arm tatoo's. It varies so much with the person.

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  • 3 votes
Reply#2 - Fri Nov 2, 2007 12:34 AM EDT
{"commentId":1150163,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

blockquote>There still is alot of feeling out there that a Tatoo means soldier or <

Ok so we don't someone in the Marines to look like a soldier because...?

Your explanation does make sense for cops, though.

I'm still getting used to people at my coffee house, with most of the staff having at least one tattoo on their arms. I asked one why she has initials on her wrist and it's her baby daughter's initials. I had to resist the urge to say something smart ass like, "because otherwise you'll forget..." then she added that she has initials of other family members elsewhere on her body because that left me just speechless.

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  • 3 votes
#2.1 - Fri Nov 2, 2007 12:40 AM EDT
{"commentId":1150181,"authorDomain":"TeddRi"}

The soldier part was because coming from a military family, I was used to only seeing Tattoo's on soldiers and have heard that comment before. Its not my personal feeling, just one I have heard reflected often. Cops I really do not have a opinion on one way or another. Its up to them.

I still panic a little for the day when My 25 yr old daughter add's a few more tattoo's !

Yes Scott, I come from the really really old school when it comes to tattoo's I guess, I always like the human body pretty much the way it was built without additions.....

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  • 4 votes
#2.2 - Fri Nov 2, 2007 12:51 AM EDT
{"commentId":1150287,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

meaning your daughter already has some?

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    #2.3 - Fri Nov 2, 2007 2:05 AM EDT
    {"commentId":1150820,"authorDomain":"TeddRi"}

    The current rumor is "maybe just one" I am not sure to be honest...We live on opposite coasts.

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    • 2 votes
    #2.4 - Fri Nov 2, 2007 9:52 AM EDT
    {"commentId":1151818,"authorDomain":"shiki"}

    my dad finally stopped freaking out about the tattoos and piercings when I was 29...
    I got my septum pierced and he didn't even mention it. He hasn't said anything about any of the tatts I've gotten since then.

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    • 1 vote
    #2.5 - Fri Nov 2, 2007 3:34 PM EDT
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    {"commentId":1150166,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

    Have I mentioned my proposed pickup line for women with tattoos on their lower backs?

    Not that I'm brave enough to actually use it but I'd like to say that I'm against censorship
    so they must remove clothing to share ALL of the artwork, not cover it up.

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    • 2 votes
    Reply#3 - Fri Nov 2, 2007 12:41 AM EDT
    {"commentId":1150183,"authorDomain":"TeddRi"}

    Yeah I wish I was that brave myself.....

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    • 2 votes
    #3.1 - Fri Nov 2, 2007 12:52 AM EDT
    {"commentId":1150284,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

    Incidentally we have an ongoing list of best and worst pickup lines

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    • 2 votes
    #3.2 - Fri Nov 2, 2007 2:04 AM EDT
    {"commentId":1150664,"authorDomain":"biggerthebetter"}

    Scott, what's worse? Having a back tattoo or judging someone unfairly because of it?

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    • 1 vote
    #3.3 - Fri Nov 2, 2007 8:44 AM EDT
    {"commentId":1150685,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

    How am I "judging someone unfairly"? when I admire a tattoo visible between a women's shirt and her butt and wish I could see more of it. I can see calling me randy, lecherous or a pig but thats not judging her.

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    • 1 vote
    #3.4 - Fri Nov 2, 2007 8:58 AM EDT
    {"commentId":1151805,"authorDomain":"shiki"}

    They call that particular tattoo a "tramp stamp" hehe...

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    • 2 votes
    #3.5 - Fri Nov 2, 2007 3:30 PM EDT
    {"commentId":1151871,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

    for the record I didn't say that! you trying to get me in trouble, shiki?

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    • 1 vote
    #3.6 - Fri Nov 2, 2007 3:47 PM EDT
    {"commentId":1151929,"authorDomain":"TeddRi"}
    tramp stamp"

    My old boss got a "tramp stamp" and came in to work and was talking about getting it and I was the only one that didn't know what she was talking about, boy did I turn bright red when she asked if I wanted to see it and I said "sure why not ?" I'll never live that one down ! Plus I'll never forget what you call that kind of tattoo either !

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    • 4 votes
    #3.7 - Fri Nov 2, 2007 4:02 PM EDT
    {"commentId":1152121,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

    Hm, that would make for some weird work dynamics.

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    • 1 vote
    #3.8 - Fri Nov 2, 2007 4:47 PM EDT
    {"commentId":1152184,"authorDomain":"TeddRi"}

    She was a great boss, alot of fun and clearly a real flirt. And very.....nice looking too.

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    • 1 vote
    #3.9 - Fri Nov 2, 2007 5:08 PM EDT
    {"commentId":1152591,"authorDomain":"shiki"}

    I've got a tramp stamp too...my husband calls it a target O_o

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    • 3 votes
    #3.10 - Fri Nov 2, 2007 7:39 PM EDT
    {"commentId":1152602,"authorDomain":"TeddRi"}

    Thats nasty !

    but fun

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    • 3 votes
    #3.11 - Fri Nov 2, 2007 7:41 PM EDT
    {"commentId":1156635,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

    OK for those who want to know if I am ever speeches comment 3.10 made me both blush and speechless.

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    • 2 votes
    #3.12 - Sun Nov 4, 2007 2:43 PM EST
    {"commentId":1158523,"authorDomain":"TeddRi"}
    speeches
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    • 2 votes
    #3.13 - Mon Nov 5, 2007 11:26 AM EST
    {"commentId":1161696,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

    For those who wonder if I ever make typos.. oh, nevermind, everyone probably knows that by now.

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      #3.14 - Tue Nov 6, 2007 11:57 AM EST
      {"commentId":1162758,"authorDomain":"TeddRi"}

      I just wanted to see if anyone would actually vote on it.....

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        #3.15 - Tue Nov 6, 2007 4:40 PM EST
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        {"commentId":1150368,"authorDomain":"nimblesymbol"}

        Who cares if tattoos are more popular now than ever. You sheeple obviously don't understand your overlords' wishes. If you fail to act on conforming to our overlords' wishes, our overlords will make sure that you are jobless and disenfrachised. Now, NO TATTOOS, got it? OK! Now fall in line. Yeah, fall in line. Here's your number. Make SURE you match YOUR number with your pen now sheeple!

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        • 2 votes
        Reply#4 - Fri Nov 2, 2007 3:27 AM EDT
        {"commentId":1150608,"authorDomain":"acidreflux"}

        Yes, because nothing says "I'm an individual" like getting a tattoo because all your friends have one.

        You aren't trying to free the sheep, you're just suggesting a different pasture.

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        • 3 votes
        #4.1 - Fri Nov 2, 2007 8:12 AM EDT
        {"commentId":1151823,"authorDomain":"shiki"}

        yes and we all know that people get tattoos just because all their friends have one. Give me a break.

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        • 2 votes
        #4.2 - Fri Nov 2, 2007 3:36 PM EDT
        {"commentId":1151937,"authorDomain":"acidreflux"}

        Isn't that the definition of a fad? And tatts seem to be quite the fad right now.

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        • 1 vote
        #4.3 - Fri Nov 2, 2007 4:04 PM EDT
        {"commentId":1152124,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

        Um, A.A. did you detect the sarcasm in 4.2?

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        • 3 votes
        #4.4 - Fri Nov 2, 2007 4:48 PM EDT
        {"commentId":1191125,"authorDomain":"charlie-b"}

        I currently have 16 tattoos, my wife is also heavily inked, she has a sleeve, and I can confidently say that I or any of the other tattooed folk I know have gotten inked to fit in or please any one else. All of the artists I know are very dedicated to the craft. They all have some type of art background. A few are RISD grads. Another artist I know has traveled the world learning new techniques and experiencing them firsthand so to speak. I work at a university and the world is much heavier inked than it was when I was a kid.

        {"commentId":1191125,"threadId":"170403","contentId":"1067437","authorDomain":"charlie-b"}
          #4.5 - Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:41 AM EST
          {"commentId":1191202,"authorDomain":"acidreflux"}
          I work at a university and the world is much heavier inked than it was when I was a kid.

          You know, they call the area outside of the comfortable bubble of academia "the real world" for a reason. I wouldn't extrapolate too much from experience there.

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          • 1 vote
          #4.6 - Fri Nov 16, 2007 12:10 PM EST
          {"commentId":1191515,"authorDomain":"charlie-b"}

          So I take it that you, a person who knows nothing about me is implying that I do not live in the "real world" because I've been working at a university for all of 5 months of my 43 years on this planet. I was simply making the observation that when I was younger tattoos were not as prevalent as they are today and have moved out of the realm of taboo into the mainstream. Even the kids heavily involved with their churches are getting religious themed tattoos.

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            #4.7 - Fri Nov 16, 2007 1:55 PM EST
            {"commentId":1191581,"authorDomain":"acidreflux"}

            No, I am cautioning you on extrapolating too much. Many of those kids have em lasered off before applying for jobs or have them in non-obvious places: I know because my business hires lots of new graduates and my experience is totally at variance with yours. If anything, we've seen a decline in obvious body modifications in our applicants.

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            • 1 vote
            #4.8 - Fri Nov 16, 2007 2:13 PM EST
            {"commentId":1191644,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

            Did you leave a word out of this sentence, namely a "Neither"?

            can confidently say that I or any of the other tattooed folk I know have gotten inked to fit in or please any one else
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              #4.9 - Fri Nov 16, 2007 2:27 PM EST
              {"commentId":1195664,"authorDomain":"charlie-b"}

              Yup, dropped a neither.
              A.A., The writings on the wall, or in this case the skin.

              A 2006 study done by the Journal of the American Academy of Dermatology found that 24% of Americans between 18 and 50 are tattooed; that's almost one in four. And the survey showed that about 36% of Americans age 18 to 29 have at least one tattoo.

              According to the American Society of Dermatological Surgery, they stated in 2005, that of all the people they treat with laser and light therapy, only 6% are getting a tattoo removed.

              **Many of those kids have em lasered off before applying for jobs or have them in non-obvious places**

              Earlier you stated getting tattooed was a fad. It's no secret tattoos are permanent. Lasering is a costly, time consuming and painful process. Though I'm sure it happens, I cannot see getting a tattoo for a few years then lasering it off to enter the work force. Tattoo removal is not covered by insurance.
              The fact that tats are in non-obvious places is besides the point. Like I said you don't get inked for other people you do it for yourself. It doesn't matter if anyone can see it, it's how it makes you feel.
              What happens when 1 out of 3 Americans are tattooed? 5 years from now our Dr.s and lawyers will have a tattoo somewhere, but at least our cops and marines will be art free.

              {"commentId":1195664,"threadId":"170403","contentId":"1067437","authorDomain":"charlie-b"}
                #4.10 - Sun Nov 18, 2007 7:17 AM EST
                {"commentId":1195669,"authorDomain":"charlie-b"}

                Yup, dropped a neither.
                A.A., The writings on the wall, or in this case the skin.

                A 2006 study done by the Journal of the American Academy of Dermatology found that 24% of Americans between 18 and 50 are tattooed; that's almost one in four. And the survey showed that about 36% of Americans age 18 to 29 have at least one tattoo.

                According to the American Society of Dermatological Surgery, they stated in 2005, that of all the people they treat with laser and light therapy, only 6% are getting a tattoo removed.

                **Many of those kids have em lasered off before applying for jobs or have them in non-obvious places**

                Earlier you stated getting tattooed was a fad. It's no secret tattoos are permanent. Lasering is a costly, time consuming and painful process. Though I'm sure it happens, I cannot see getting a tattoo for a few years then lasering it off to enter the work force. Tattoo removal is not covered by insurance.
                The fact that tats are in non-obvious places is besides the point. Like I said you don't get inked for other people you do it for yourself. It doesn't matter if anyone can see it, it's how it makes you feel.
                What happens when 1 out of 3 Americans are tattooed? 5 years from now our Dr.s and lawyers will have a tattoo somewhere, but at least our cops and marines will be art free.

                {"commentId":1195669,"threadId":"170403","contentId":"1067437","authorDomain":"charlie-b"}
                  #4.11 - Sun Nov 18, 2007 7:27 AM EST
                  {"commentId":1195672,"authorDomain":"charlie-b"}

                  Yup, dropped a neither.
                  A.A., The writings on the wall, or in this case the skin.

                  A 2006 study done by the Journal of the American Academy of Dermatology found that 24% of Americans between 18 and 50 are tattooed; that's almost one in four. And the survey showed that about 36% of Americans age 18 to 29 have at least one tattoo.

                  According to the American Society of Dermatological Surgery, they stated in 2005, that of all the people they treat with laser and light therapy, only 6% are getting a tattoo removed.

                  **Many of those kids have em lasered off before applying for jobs or have them in non-obvious places**

                  Earlier you stated getting tattooed was a fad. It's no secret tattoos are permanent. Lasering is a costly, time consuming and painful process. Though I'm sure it happens, I cannot see getting a tattoo for a few years then lasering it off to enter the work force. Tattoo removal is not covered by insurance.
                  The fact that tats are in non-obvious places is besides the point. Like I said you don't get inked for other people you do it for yourself. It doesn't matter if anyone can see it, it's how it makes you feel.
                  What happens when 1 out of 3 Americans are tattooed? 5 years from now our Dr.s and lawyers will have a tattoo somewhere, but at least our cops and marines will be art free.

                  {"commentId":1195672,"threadId":"170403","contentId":"1067437","authorDomain":"charlie-b"}
                    #4.12 - Sun Nov 18, 2007 7:28 AM EST
                    {"commentId":1195681,"authorDomain":"charlie-b"}

                    Yup, dropped a neither.
                    A.A., The writings on the wall, or in this case the skin.

                    A 2006 study done by the Journal of the American Academy of Dermatology found that 24% of Americans between 18 and 50 are tattooed; that's almost one in four. And the survey showed that about 36% of Americans age 18 to 29 have at least one tattoo.

                    According to the American Society of Dermatological Surgery, they stated in 2005, that of all the people they treat with laser and light therapy, only 6% are getting a tattoo removed.

                    **Many of those kids have em lasered off before applying for jobs or have them in non-obvious places**

                    Earlier you stated getting tattooed was a fad. It's no secret tattoos are permanent. Lasering is a costly, time consuming and painful process. Though I'm sure it happens, I cannot see getting a tattoo for a few years then lasering it off to enter the work force. Tattoo removal is not covered by insurance.
                    The fact that tats are in non-obvious places is besides the point. Like I said you don't get inked for other people you do it for yourself. It doesn't matter if anyone can see it, it's how it makes you feel.
                    What happens when 1 out of 3 Americans are tattooed? 5 years from now our Dr.s and lawyers will have a tattoo somewhere, but at least our cops and marines will be art free.

                    {"commentId":1195681,"threadId":"170403","contentId":"1067437","authorDomain":"charlie-b"}
                      #4.13 - Sun Nov 18, 2007 7:32 AM EST
                      {"commentId":1196428,"authorDomain":"charlie-b"}

                      Sorry this posted 3 times. Seems there was a server issue and it kept locking up on me.

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                        #4.14 - Sun Nov 18, 2007 2:52 PM EST
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                        {"commentId":1150428,"authorDomain":"bobneve1"}

                        Nope not me never had the urge to permanently mark up my body. My son got few, his dog tags on his chest and that razor wire on his arm. Oh yea the big bad Marine he is was getting the razor wire done and passed out. I LMAFO.

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                        • 4 votes
                        Reply#5 - Fri Nov 2, 2007 5:53 AM EDT
                        {"commentId":1151341,"authorDomain":"aeschere"}

                        As a former Marine I like to say that we all had tattoos. My best friend who is still in is covered and he almost was not promoted because of them. I hate to say this but even tho the military protects the constitution the constitution does not apply to them. I think that this is total BS because tattoos don't dictate performance.

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                        • 4 votes
                        Reply#6 - Fri Nov 2, 2007 1:13 PM EDT
                        {"commentId":1161694,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}
                        still in is covered and he almost was not promoted because of them. I hate to say this but even tho the military protects the constitution the constitution does not apply to them. I think that this is total BS because tattoos don't dictate

                        See, I find this outrageous. What does a tattoo have to do with his behavior?
                        Or as you put it:

                        think that this is total BS because tattoos don't dictate performance.
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                        • 1 vote
                        #6.1 - Tue Nov 6, 2007 11:56 AM EST
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                        {"commentId":1151955,"authorDomain":"evilgenius"}

                        I have two tats. I love 'em, admire them and want more. I dig chicks with tattoos too! I also have to keep them covered in my job, but since they are naturally covered it's not a problem. The first is a grim reaper on my upper left bicep (covered even with short sleeves) and the other a Julie Bell inspired flying dragon on my right front thigh that goes nearly groin to knee.

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                        • 3 votes
                        Reply#7 - Fri Nov 2, 2007 4:10 PM EDT
                        {"commentId":1151977,"authorDomain":"TeddRi"}
                        Julie Bell

                        Whoa ! Her artwork is unreal, I have never seen someone with the detail and awesome colors that she uses.

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                        • 2 votes
                        #7.1 - Fri Nov 2, 2007 4:16 PM EDT
                        {"commentId":1152131,"authorDomain":"evilgenius"}

                        I am a huge fan of Boris Vallejo, Julie Bell and others. I started drawing imitating comic books and worked up to some fantasy art. It is a hobby I don't get to work on much any more. I should have gone to art school, but oh well. I'm still a fan.

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                        • 3 votes
                        #7.2 - Fri Nov 2, 2007 4:51 PM EDT
                        {"commentId":1152556,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

                        I'm not familiar with her. I have no tattoos but have considered getting one. I'd only get it when sober though - i've seen too many people get ones they later regretted.

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                        • 3 votes
                        #7.3 - Fri Nov 2, 2007 7:26 PM EDT
                        {"commentId":1152557,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

                        You know how in The Graduate they said the future was plastics? I think the future is going to be a painless way to remove all those tattoos people will want to get rid of in 10 or 20 years.

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                        • 2 votes
                        #7.4 - Fri Nov 2, 2007 7:27 PM EDT
                        {"commentId":1152580,"authorDomain":"TeddRi"}

                        A friend of mine has a signed copy of I think this one from

                        Julie Bell

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                        • 3 votes
                        #7.5 - Fri Nov 2, 2007 7:34 PM EDT
                        {"commentId":1191096,"authorDomain":"charlie-b"}

                        Any true artist won't work on you if you've been drinking. Alcohol thins the blood and can cause uneven coloration and affect the thickness of line work.

                        {"commentId":1191096,"threadId":"170403","contentId":"1067437","authorDomain":"charlie-b"}
                          #7.6 - Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:30 AM EST
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                          {"commentId":1155199,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

                          Regardless of how you feel about people around you – or you yourself – having tattoos I think that's a somewhat separate question by the one the article focuses on. Let me rephrase my question this way: Does it really matter if a cop or a Marine has a tattoo? How will that affect their work? What's next? Prohibiting piercings or is that already blocked?

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                          • 2 votes
                          Reply#8 - Sat Nov 3, 2007 10:31 PM EDT
                          {"commentId":1155457,"authorDomain":"shiki"}

                          To me it's a non-issue. But perhaps those institutions want to exercise their dominance.

                          {"commentId":1155457,"threadId":"170403","contentId":"1067437","authorDomain":"shiki"}
                          • 3 votes
                          #8.1 - Sun Nov 4, 2007 12:30 AM EDT
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                          {"commentId":1155386,"authorDomain":"TeddRi"}

                          Does if affect the way they work ? Of course not ! It might make some people feel uncool in some areas. Lets say your dentist has skulls and bones all over his arms, your Grandmother might not feel OK with that. So you wear a long sleeve shirt that day. Just be a bit sensitive to others is all.

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                          • 3 votes
                          Reply#9 - Sat Nov 3, 2007 11:50 PM EDT
                          {"commentId":1156567,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

                          I'd be more annoyed if the dentist had bad breath or didn't shower or 100 other things worse in my eyes than a tattoo.

                          At a time when soldiers and law enforcement are badly needed the reasons given to block them seem so inane.

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                          • 3 votes
                          #9.1 - Sun Nov 4, 2007 2:15 PM EST
                          {"commentId":1156607,"authorDomain":"TeddRi"}

                          Me Too, that was just the first thing that popped into my head as far as having something right up in your face. Bad breath would be worse...

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                          • 3 votes
                          #9.2 - Sun Nov 4, 2007 2:33 PM EST
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                          {"commentId":1156691,"authorDomain":"Wheel"}

                          Tattoo removal has become the number one cosmetic surgery of choice now.

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                          Reply#10 - Sun Nov 4, 2007 3:12 PM EST
                          {"commentId":1156746,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

                          Has anyone here had one removed? I'm curious if removal costs and hurts more than getting the tattoo in the first place?

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                            #10.1 - Sun Nov 4, 2007 3:46 PM EST
                            {"commentId":1157241,"authorDomain":"shiki"}

                            I have not had a tattoo removed but I hear it is very expensive and very painful.

                            to me tattoo removal=tool

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                            #10.2 - Sun Nov 4, 2007 8:36 PM EST
                            {"commentId":1158037,"authorDomain":"acidreflux"}

                            I know someone who had extensive tattoos removed from his shoulders/upper arms. It required skin grafts on the same order as a serious burn recovery. This was pre-laser though. I don't think that the laser surgery is nearly as painful, but it is time consuming and costs far more than the original tatt. Be sure you're sure you want it for life would be my advice. Removal is surgery and insurance won't pay as it is elective cosmetic by their calculations.

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                            #10.3 - Mon Nov 5, 2007 8:04 AM EST
                            {"commentId":1158151,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

                            I'm going to sound like an old person when I say this but maybe they should tell people how much removal costs/hurts before they have it put on.

                            This would explain why i've taken 3 years to decide if i want just one.Plus i'm a wimp.

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                            #10.4 - Mon Nov 5, 2007 9:07 AM EST
                            {"commentId":1158260,"authorDomain":"shiki"}

                            Tattoos should be considered permanent. If you even have an inkling that one day you may not want it you shouldn't be getting a tattoo. People who walk into a tattoo shop and pick a tattoo off the wall. To each their own but to me that is ridiculous. I always put a lot of thought and research in before I get any work done.

                            I'm a wimp too Scott, and believe me depending on where you're getting your tatt the pain can be shocking. :( But I think it's worth it. It took me about 4 years or more after I got my back tatt done (not the trampstamp) to work up the nerve to get more ink. Even then it was a quick fairly painless. I'm working up the cojones to get a shoulder piece.

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                            #10.5 - Mon Nov 5, 2007 9:53 AM EST
                            {"commentId":1162779,"authorDomain":"TeddRi"}
                            Plus i'm a wimp

                            me too....

                            but not as big a wimp as Scott of course.

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                            #10.6 - Tue Nov 6, 2007 4:43 PM EST
                            {"commentId":1163885,"authorDomain":"TeddRi"}
                            serious burn recovery.

                            I can say one thing for that and that it 100% total hell, all of it. Laser has made it much easier, but it is not fun at all ! I had a heck of a hard time getting off of Ocycontin after going thru that mess as I was taking 80 mg twice per day after I had worked up to that does. That's about enough to knock out a horse....Yet the pain was still there.

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                            #10.7 - Tue Nov 6, 2007 11:19 PM EST
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                            {"commentId":1163365,"authorDomain":"shiki"}

                            Plus i'm a wimp

                            me too....

                            but not as big a wimp as Scott of course.

                            I'm not that wimpy either XP

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                            Reply#11 - Tue Nov 6, 2007 7:28 PM EST
                            {"commentId":1163879,"authorDomain":"TeddRi"}
                            I'm not that wimpy either XP

                            shiki, you are one of the few "unwimpy ones"

                            but now I am curious...sorry.....Didn't that Tramp Stamp hurt like crazy ? whoa I think I would want to be knocked out for find something really good to take before that. I would think those nerves endings you would really feel it !

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                            #11.1 - Tue Nov 6, 2007 11:15 PM EST
                            {"commentId":1165226,"authorDomain":"shiki"}

                            believe me I'm a wimp. The tramp stamp didn't hurt much, I actually nodded off while he was doing it. The tattoo that runs down my neck to the middle of my back hurt like hell. It brought me to tears. As soon as he started it felt like he was carving me up with a razor and I was like oh crap, what have I gotten myself into...but once he put the needle to my flesh I was committed...it was 7 hours of pure hell.

                            backtatt

                            latest tatt side a and side b

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                            #11.2 - Wed Nov 7, 2007 12:28 PM EST
                            {"commentId":1165266,"authorDomain":"TeddRi"}

                            Whoa shiki, Nice work ! That BackTatt is awesome ! I cannot imagine 7 hours of going thru that ! I can well imagine that would hurt, especially anything around the neck region and also down the spin as there are so many millions of nerve endings in that area. You are a brave one !

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                            #11.3 - Wed Nov 7, 2007 12:43 PM EST
                            {"commentId":1165296,"authorDomain":"shiki"}

                            believe me if I'd known how incredibly painful it was going to be I might have designed a smaller piece :)

                            but it was worth it IMO

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                            #11.4 - Wed Nov 7, 2007 12:55 PM EST
                            {"commentId":1189136,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

                            I saw a story today in Newsweek or Time about how you can get tattoos now which are much less painful to remove. It made me think of this thread.

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                              #11.5 - Thu Nov 15, 2007 6:11 PM EST
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                              {"commentId":1189255,"authorDomain":"Boothby"}

                              The Air Force discharged a guy at my base with "White Power" tattooed across his back. The USAF rule was no more than 25% of an exposed area, and no inappropriate tats exposed or not, and I don't think that has changed. Basically if its covered and not inappropriate, like advocating racial prejudice in the incident I mentioned, you have no trouble.

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                              Reply#12 - Thu Nov 15, 2007 6:39 PM EST
                              {"commentId":1190104,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

                              See, maybe it's just me but I'd rather he be booted for having racist views than for the percentage of skin covered with tattoos.

                              So let's say it was 22 percent and he stayed. How do you think he's going to get along with the racial minorities working with him?

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                              #12.1 - Thu Nov 15, 2007 11:49 PM EST
                              {"commentId":1190129,"authorDomain":"Boothby"}

                              In this case it was the views portrayed, because how often are you going to see a guy's back? Even if he had it removed I wouldn't want him around, but I'm sort of intolerant about intolerance.

                              25% of your arm from where a rolled up shirt fits, by reg 1" above the inside bend of the elbow, is a fair amount when you get down to it. Working in a t-shirt 25% is an even bigger amount of the arm. I know a few guys that have yakuza amounts of tattoos, but with a t-shirt on you can't see any of them. They plan on getting the rest done when they go civilian.

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                              #12.2 - Fri Nov 16, 2007 12:06 AM EST
                              {"commentId":1190235,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

                              I'd think when the group showers others woud ntoice his back

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                              #12.3 - Fri Nov 16, 2007 1:22 AM EST
                              {"commentId":1190261,"authorDomain":"Boothby"}

                              Thankfully those don't come up too often, I hate scrubbing up elbow to elbow, but somehow, somebody knew he'd been inked and made a complaint. How the word got out they were pretty careful not to say. Needless to say that sort of sentiment doesn't cut it and he was gone in record time.

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                              #12.4 - Fri Nov 16, 2007 1:44 AM EST
                              {"commentId":1190707,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}
                              Needless to say that sort of sentiment doesn't cut it and he was gone in record time.

                              So does that mean he would have been removed had his tattoo been smaller in size?

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                              #12.5 - Fri Nov 16, 2007 9:12 AM EST
                              {"commentId":1191915,"authorDomain":"Boothby"}

                              Any size and he would have been gone.

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                              #12.6 - Fri Nov 16, 2007 3:34 PM EST
                              {"commentId":1191934,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

                              That's good to hear.
                              Thanks

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                              #12.7 - Fri Nov 16, 2007 3:38 PM EST
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