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Newsvine's Third Movie Discussion: Jonestown: The Life and Death of Peoples Temple

Sat Jun 30, 2007 12:58 PM EDT
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By Scott (Scoop) Butki
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I'm going to be holding a discussion of this movie at my church in two weeks.

So while I set up the second discussion at Newsvine to be on the Dixie Chicks
documentary
I think it'd make some sense to also do this discussion.

So if you want to wait until August to watch and discuss this that's fine. But I'll be ready
to start discussing it in about one week.

It's an excellent movie because... well,I explained it over here a bit ,:
"I have been giving thought to what it is that connects the documentaries that I like and enjoy the most. This is, obviously, subjective, but to me I think the common thread among my favorite documentaries is having the directors treating those in the movie in an empathetic, not sympathetic, way."

This doesn't treat Jonestown as a freakshow but instead looks into what happend, how
it developed, how it impacted those still alive, etc.

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Scott (Scoop) Butki

So the IMDB page on Jonestown is here
and the Wikipedia page is here.

  • 1 vote
Reply#1 - Sat Jun 30, 2007 1:10 PM EDT
Scott (Scoop) Butki

I'll write up my own review of this documentary sometime in the next few weeks
to give those who can't get the movie a jumping off point plus it might make debate
more interesting. I'd encourage others this time to post their own reviews
in addition to making comments.

    Reply#2 - Sat Jun 30, 2007 1:19 PM EDT
    Scott (Scoop) Butki

    This is the best review I've come across so far about the movie.

    An excerpt:

    Why did they do it?

    In the nearly 30 years since more than 900 people died in what's been called the largest mass suicide-murder in history, the question of why so many otherwise seemingly rational human beings could be persuaded to drink cyanide-laced Kool-Aid in the jungles of Guyana has been one of the most haunting of our time.

    The riveting documentary "Jonestown: The Life and Death of Peoples Temple" comes as close as we are going to get to answering that question. Directed by the veteran Stanley Nelson ("The Murder of Emmett Till"), this calm and thorough film has just the right attitude and tone to deal with a most incendiary story.

    Nelson and his team have done a considerable amount of work, tracking down numerous former temple members as well as the event's few survivors and getting everyone to talk on camera. The result is harrowing stuff, with one man breaking down as he describes what it was like to have his wife die in his arms.

    Also very much to the film's advantage is how thoughtful and articulate these people are, both about why they joined the temple as well as the awful aftermath, making it clear that what they signed onto was not what the temple became.

      Reply#3 - Sat Jun 30, 2007 1:21 PM EDT
      Scott (Scoop) Butki

      If you want to know where I am coming from regarding religions, read here.

        Reply#4 - Sat Jun 30, 2007 2:59 PM EDT
        Scott (Scoop) Butki

        I received this movie and the Dixie Chicks movie today. I'll write reviews for both in the next week.

        Who is going to join me in discussing these movies?

          Reply#5 - Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:27 PM EDT
          Scott (Scoop) Butki

          Oh the discussion of this Jonestown movie at my church in Frederick, Md. is this Sunday
          so I need to get my act together. If you live anywhere near me you're welome
          to come join me. Just email me for directions.

            Reply#6 - Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:00 PM EDT
            Scott (Scoop) Butki

            I'm writing up tonite a review of the Jonestown documentary. Below are some comments and questions to spark discussion of the film. I will keep this discussion going through the end of the summer.

            Without cheating and looking at a dictionary how would you define what a cult is?

              Reply#7 - Sun Jul 15, 2007 8:54 PM EDT
              Scott (Scoop) Butki

              Do you understand why someone would join a group like Jim Jones' People's Temple, with his message of hope and racial harmony and justice?

              • 1 vote
              Reply#8 - Sun Jul 15, 2007 8:56 PM EDT
              Scott (Scoop) Butki

              Do you agree with this comment:

              "Nobody joins a cult. Nobody joins something they think will hurtt hem. You join a religious organization, you join a political movement, you join with people you really like," one survivor says in the movie."

                Reply#9 - Sun Jul 15, 2007 10:19 PM EDT
                Scott (Scoop) Butki

                What lesson did you take away from this documentary?

                  Reply#10 - Sun Jul 15, 2007 10:20 PM EDT
                  Scott (Scoop) Butki

                  This is this review I wrote

                    Reply#11 - Mon Jul 16, 2007 12:03 AM EDT
                    Scott (Scoop) Butki

                    The Blogcritics posting of the Jonestown review

                    sparked this response:
                    #1 — July 17, 2007 @ 03:19AM — Danny Haszard
                    I applaud your blog!

                    I was raised in the apocalyptic Jehovah's Witnesses.
                    When I exited the Jehovah's Witnesses in 1992 EVERY Jehovah's Witness around me,was convinced in their heart of hearts that they would NOT see 2007 in "this old system"
                    Many had NO retirement plans for old age.

                    The Watchtower cult lies and people die!

                      Reply#12 - Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:30 AM EDT
                      Jeff Brailey-165732

                      Scott Butki has written an excellent review of Stanley Nelson's documentary, Jonestown: The Life and Death of the Peoples Temple. The film also has been nominated for an Academy Award. While there has been fairly consistent interest in the massacre that took place in Jonestown 29 years ago this November, as we approach the 30th anniversary of the horrific event, I think it is safe to say, curiousity in what happened at that jungle enclave before many of the people reading this posting was born, has never been higher.

                      My book, The Ghosts of November: Memoirs of an Outsider Who Witnessed the Carnage at Jonestown, Guyana, originally published in 1998, is the only account written by a member of the task force sent to Guyana to recover the remains of the 914 Americans who perished there. I have meticulously revised it, included footnotes and an index and more than 20 photographs.

                      November 18, 2008 marks the 30th anniversary of the massacre, an appropriate time for my revision to be published. As of yet, I have been unable to find an agent or editor interested in doing that. I will self-publish it as I did the first edition, if I must. However, I would prefer the more traditional route to publication this time.

                      If you know an agent or publisher who may be interested in this project, please have him or her contact me.

                      jeff.brailey@gmail.com

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                      Reply#13 - Sun Jul 22, 2007 12:58 PM EDT
                      Scott (Scoop) Butki

                      Is anyone going to watch this movie for the discussion?

                        Reply#14 - Fri Aug 3, 2007 9:26 PM EDT
                        Scott (Scoop) Butki

                        I'm clipping this to the Unitarian Universalist group, as it is at a UU church where I show these movies at and lead the discussions.

                        The September movie will be Dust and Deceit - the discussion will be here - and the October movie is Out of Balance, about how Exxon has manipulated the media re: climate change. Details here.

                          Reply#15 - Sun Aug 19, 2007 11:17 PM EDT
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