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Why Writing Down The Bones Works And Peter Elbow Is Wise

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What do I think of Peter Elbow's ideas about composing and writing? My quick answer is "I love them." It's as if he took some of my ideas, stole them right out of my brain and put them down on paper.

The longer answer is that some of his ideas I like better than others.But to explain my longer answer I need to first talk about the Writing Down the Bones exercises.

Writing Down the Bones is an exercise I've seen done at online communities I'm a part of. When, in recent months, I joined a new group, Newsvine, I asked if there was interest in the activity there. There was and so I started it up. We are now in our 12th week.

Yes, the student has become the teacher.

I've watched as the exercise has helped budding writers. Elbow sums up the problem nicely: "Some times, in fact, when people think too much during the early stages about what they want to end up with, that preoccupation with the final product keeps them from attaining it."

I did not actually read Natalie Goldberg's book Writing Down the Bones until after I have been doing this exercise for a few years and the way she suggests it is not identical to how I have done it. But the concept is essentially the same.
She says: "The idea is to keep your hand moving for, say, ten minutes, and don't cross anything out, because that makes space for our inner editor to come in."

I lead and participate in this writing exercise online and tell those participating there are only three rules: 1) You can only write for those 10 minutes, you can't spend that time rewriting or proofreading. 2) If you write something you need to read the submissions from others. 3) You must write some form of feedback, but it has to be positive.

As I read Peter Elbow explaining what he calls "freewriting" I felt like I was hearing an echo of the rules I have given. Elbow says those reading other's work must say "thank you" or cite a part particularly enjoyed. Similarly in our exercises I will often highlight my favorite sentence or paragraph and others will follow suit.

Whether the idea comes from Elbow, Goldberg or me the concept is the same: Focus on writing, not rewriting or revising, and steer clear of criticism. As Elbow puts it:
"If you are trying to be inventive and come up with lots of interesting new ideas, it's usually the worst thing in the world if someone comes along and starts being critical. Thus, the power of brainstorming: no one is allowed to criticize any idea or suggestion that is offered- no matter how stupid, impractical, or useless it seems…"

So you are both turning off your own inner critic while also fending off potential critics among those participating.

While both Goldberg and Elbow suggest the same time limit of ten minutes there is one key difference: The starting point. Elbow says you can start anywhere, on any topic: "You may stay on one topic, you may flip repeatedly from one to another: it doesn't matter. Sometime you will produce a good record of your stream of consciousness, but often you can't keep up."

In contrast, Writing Down the Bones starts with a prompt, which is usually a single word like "flag" or "rain" but could be a sentence. Those prompts get the writers started and with their inner editor turned off something amazing often comes out.

I, personally, have found that some of my best short fiction has come out of these exercises. Ideas I never knew I had pop out, sparked either by the prompt or the knowledge that I have permitted myself to do nothing but write for ten minutes or perhaps both. As Elbow puts it: "I'm arguing that we can make a better plan if we plan for nonplanning; we can write better if we build in periods where we remove goals from our mind; we can meet the needs of writers better if we sometimes put readers out of mind – especially at early stages."

So do I think Elbow is right about this process being a good idea? Definitely and not just because I'm leading a similar exercise.

He does offer a good cautionary note, one that makes sense but I had never given much thought before. It concerns whether it's wise to read one's own freewriting:

If reading over your freewriting or giving it someone else gets in the way of future freewriting, as it may well do, then it's better just to throw it away or stash it somewhere unread. Reading it over may make you too self-conscious or make you feel, "YEEEcchh, what garbage is this," or, "Oh, dear, there must be something the matter with me to be so obsessed." This may start you censoring yourself as you engage in more freewriting. Don't read over your freewriting unless you can do so in a spirit of benign self-welcoming. I used to be fascinated with my freewritings and save them and read them periodically. Now I just throw them away."

Elsewhere in his book he suggests other ways of approaching writing:

1. The Direct Writing Process. - As he says, 'The process is very simple. Just divide your available time in half. The first half is for fast writing without worrying about organization, language, correctness or precision. The second half is for revising."

This is a process intended for projects where you do not have a lot of time. To me this seems pretty obvious – of course you need to factor in time for revising if it's something that needs to be turned in - but I'm sure to some this is a great insight. I'm not sure dividing it in half is a magic formula so much as a good goal, a way to say, ok, it's time to stop writing.

This process is different from freewriting in a few key ways, namely you spend some of the time revising, you pause if you need to and this is or something on a set topic, such as a memo or a report for work.

2. Quick revising – He sums it up this way: "The point of quick revising is to turn out a clean, clear professional final draft without taking as much time as you would need for major rethinking and reorganizing. It is a clean-and-polish operation, not a growing-and-transforming one. You specifically refrain from meddling with any deeper problems of organization or reconceputalization."

He says "quick revising" is for when the "results don't matter too much."

This one raises some red flags for me because I don't want anyone to think it's more important for something to appear done than to actually be done. He raises some examples where it might be fine, such as a draft of a paper to share with others, or you plan to work on a more finished product later.

Still he says the time it will be used most often is when people have procrastinated and are short on time.

While I am not crazy about the implication that this kind of work is acceptable he proceeds to describe two key steps that should be taken, ones I've adopted long ago.

The first suggeston is the importantce of reading your work aloud. Trust me when I say you will hear mistakes you did not see before as you read it. He calls it switching from your "writer-consciousness and into the audience-consciousness." That to me sounds like a fancy way of saying this: You will hear mistakes that you did not previously know existed.

His second suggestion is the important act of cutting. As a newspaper journalist for more than 10 years I think I spent more time cutting than I did writing! That may be an exaggeration but it sure felt that way sometimes. In that case I was cutting due to size. But whether cutting for size or cutting because you are doing quick revising some of the goals are the same: You are getting rid of the weakest of the ideas.

Elbow writes: "Learn to leave out everything that isn't already good or easily made good. Learn the pleasures of the knife. Learn to retreat, to cut your losses, to be chicken."

As you can see, I have mixed feelings about this process. If it must be done then his way is as a good a way as any, but better to avoid procrastination in the first place.

3. The Dangerous Method: Trying To Write It Right the First Time. It fits its name. The idea is simple: You write so well you don't need to spend a lot of time, if any, on revising.
"But," he warns, "it is a dangerous method because it puts more pressure on you and depends for its success on everything running smoothly."

The trick to doing this, if you are one of the few who can pull this off, is to "get your meaning clear in your head before you start writing. (In effect you are stuck with two steps again: figure out your meaning, then write.)"

Overall, I think this is a recipe for disaster and think he would have been better off not suggesting or including this idea. I know that sounds like sticking ones head in the sand but there it is.

4. The Open-Ended Writing Process - He explains the intent of this process this way: "The open-ended writing process is ideal for the situation where you sense you have something to write but you don't know quite what."

He suggests writing about any topic at all and continuing for "at least ten or twenty or thirty minutes, depending on how much material and energy you come up with. You have to write long enough to get tired and get past what's on the top of your mind. But not so long that you start pausing in the midst of your writing."

The writer should then re-read what they wrote and summarize it in a sentence. Then, he said, "Use that focusing sentence for a new burst of nonstop writing. Again, let the writing go wherever it wants to go. Invite yourself gradually or suddenly to lose sight of whatever you start with."

After the process is repeated, eventually something will emerge, which you will then begin to revise or rework.

This one sounds a bit too new agey and spiritual for me. I'm a bit skeptical. I've not tried this one so maybe it's unfair to question something I've not tried but I just can't endorse this one.

5. Lastly, the Loop Writing Process - This process is sort of a compromise, a middle ground of sorts, in which the writer tries to get the best of both worlds – creativity and control.

This process takes longer than the direct writing method but not nearly as long as the open-ending writing process. He calls it the loop "because it takes you on an elliptical orbiting voyage. For the first half, the voyage out, you do pieces of almost-freewriting during which you allow yourself to curve out into space – allow yourself, that is, to ignore or even forget exactly where your topic is. For the second half, the voyage home, you bend your efforts back into the gravitational field of your original topic as you select, organize, and revise parts of what you produced during the voyage out.

This process has 13 procedures but I'm not going to explain them all here. They are all things you may want to consider during the writing process, from writing down your first thoughts and considering your prejudices to varying the time you are writing about or varying the audience.

During the writing you should try to lose sight, temporarily, of your topic. One of the best times to use this approach is when you are writing about a topic that bores you silly. After you follow one of the procedures, you need to do the hard part, namely: Remember the original assignment and start revising what you ended up with to make it fit. He puts it this way: "For in the voyage home, obviously enough, you are engaged in the process of revising. You have used your creative mentality to generate lots of examples and ideas and the makings of ideas, and now you need to use your critical mentality to shape a coherent draft out of this raw writing."

This process, he admits, can leave the writer with quite a mess and much of it will have to be destroyed. Will it always work? No. Is it worth a try? Definitely.

I have never tried this approach, at least not under this name, but I bet he is right that it would work at least some of the time. Next time I get stuck, I am going to give it a try.

I'd encourage you to try most of these processes. Elbow is indeed wise in imparting these excellent suggestions. This book contains some of the best writing advice I have read in years.

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{"commentId":789468,"authorDomain":"festivewarrior"}

I knew it was fun and effective.
Now I see there are concrete principles known to writers.
Cool.
Thank you for spelling this out for us, Scott.

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Reply#1 - Mon Jun 18, 2007 9:14 AM EDT
{"commentId":789486,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

Ok, that one took a lot more work than I anticipated.

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Reply#2 - Mon Jun 18, 2007 9:27 AM EDT
{"commentId":789489,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

I woke up afraid that I hadn't quite finished it and sure enough I had left a gap near the end. Fixed.

Hi, Festive. Good morning. Thanks for the kind words. It's a great way to start the day, witha compliment.

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#2.1 - Mon Jun 18, 2007 9:28 AM EDT
{"commentId":789493,"authorDomain":"festivewarrior"}

Good morning to you as well, Sir.
You're entirely welcome.
Have a GREAT day!

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#2.2 - Mon Jun 18, 2007 9:31 AM EDT
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{"commentId":791265,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

Found some major typos in here but I just fixed them.

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Reply#3 - Mon Jun 18, 2007 11:18 PM EDT
{"commentId":1603549,"authorDomain":"seward"}

Scott, great article. I have to say that I have never heard of these kind of exercises before, I write simply because I enjoy writing, and if other people read and enjoy my work, that to me is wonderful, and makes it all worth while.

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Reply#4 - Fri Mar 21, 2008 12:42 AM EDT
{"commentId":1607799,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

I'm glad to help. I find prompts help get me and others started.

Some of these exercises are intended more for those who have trouble getting their
thoughts organized or have trouble starting writing, which you can guess is not
a big problem for me.

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#4.1 - Sat Mar 22, 2008 8:15 AM EDT
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{"commentId":1604195,"authorDomain":"Wheel"}

I'm a number 3 with an overlay of number 2. I love the 'writing down the bones'. I don't always have anything to write about some to the topics.

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Reply#5 - Fri Mar 21, 2008 8:46 AM EDT
{"commentId":1606990,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

I'm pleased as punch to be able to help both of you fine writers.

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#5.1 - Fri Mar 21, 2008 10:48 PM EDT
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{"commentId":1610447,"authorDomain":"darkknightjrk"}

I seriously need to get back on the wagon and felt unable to put the pen to paper (or the most likely case, words on the screen). I'll have to do these Bones things--actually getting me to sit me arse down to WRITE.

Question: Is it kosher to go to previous ones you did, write on the prompts and do reviews of others?

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Reply#6 - Sun Mar 23, 2008 4:02 AM EDT
{"commentId":1611509,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

Not only is it kosher but I will come along and write feedback on whatever you write. It might not always be the same day but I'll get there.

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    #6.1 - Sun Mar 23, 2008 3:29 PM EDT
    {"commentId":1611526,"authorDomain":"darkknightjrk"}

    Cool--then I shall. :D

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      #6.2 - Sun Mar 23, 2008 3:37 PM EDT
      {"commentId":1611986,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

      Excellent.

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        #6.3 - Sun Mar 23, 2008 6:49 PM EDT
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        {"commentId":1714595,"authorDomain":"brendajacobsen"}

        How can I practice my writing online with the Writing Down the Bones Exercises? I read the above article which says you began an online community like this last year. I am a new and eager writer. I am presently reading Wild Mind by Goldman and would appreciate prompts and your feedback. This is my first time reading this site and your articles. Thank you. What a huge gift you have and utilize! Please send me the link. At one point, I was reading about weekly prompts but I lost the page...

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        Reply#7 - Sun Apr 20, 2008 5:10 PM EDT
        {"commentId":1715149,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

        Hi and welcome.

        The latest exercises are here and here. If you bookmark those and/or http://www.newsvine.com/sbutki-fiction you'll be able to read when there are new exercises up. There are links to that one to about four other exercises

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        #7.1 - Sun Apr 20, 2008 9:28 PM EDT
        {"commentId":2148478,"authorDomain":"angela593"}

        just found this this whole writing thing facinates
        fiction scares the @$#% out of me might be back

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        #7.2 - Wed Jul 9, 2008 8:52 AM EDT
        {"commentId":2149490,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}
        just found this this whole writing thing facinates
        fiction scares the @$#% out of me might be back

        Hmm, is that a compliment or a threat or a confession or all three?

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        #7.3 - Wed Jul 9, 2008 11:14 AM EDT
        {"commentId":2149659,"authorDomain":"angela593"}

        Compliment and confession,
        The more I write the more I like to write, but I stick with non fiction. Oh how I envy those who can spin a tail.

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        #7.4 - Wed Jul 9, 2008 11:32 AM EDT
        {"commentId":2150858,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

        I can spin anything.
        Give me three things I can spin a tale out of it.

        Come by the Bones exercises. The current one is here. It can be memoir, non-fiction, fiction, etc.

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        #7.5 - Wed Jul 9, 2008 1:37 PM EDT
        {"commentId":2157459,"authorDomain":"angela593"}

        tail ?? my 7.4 :o(

        Maybe I should go back to spelling class. Creativity, good writing, and perfect spelling do not necessarily go hand in hand. I will give the Bones exercise a look.

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        #7.6 - Thu Jul 10, 2008 7:59 AM EDT
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        {"commentId":1861710,"authorDomain":"yolanthe"}

        I go with the flow! There are days I just do not want to write at all, and other days I can't stop! When I have certain music on I just flow completely like all the questions I have I write down the answers for. That is a super way of writing! 'Reading is a big problem for they are other peoples ideas and just do not flow at all. It is their thing! 'I just go on writing because it flows and do some painting and drawing with prose that entertwines. Yes I just put down on paper what other minds do convey to me and boy does that vary!!

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          Reply#8 - Fri May 30, 2008 5:31 PM EDT
          {"commentId":1900874,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

          Thanks for the feedback. Hope to see you doing some of the writing exercises too.

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            #8.1 - Thu Jun 5, 2008 11:43 AM EDT
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            {"commentId":2078806,"authorDomain":"umadoshi"}

            These are Brainstorming rules or processes written beautifully and specifically for writing. Now I do have the creative and brainstorming process pegged, but I must admit, have not been able to get around it for writing. This was great insight. Thanks.

            For what it's worth, and pardon me if I did not see it in the points above, here's what I have come to do lately. Do keep in mind though, that from now on I am switching to freewriting and some of the other points here:

            I go about it through deciding on a theme, which I research and read. I do not return to the research once I start writing, it simply serves to give me enough knowledge on the topic for me to feel comfortable writing about it.

            Second, I lay down a list of how I see things. Quick and general nothing too specific or "verbose".

            Third, I write. (unfortunately, and this is where your great article comes in, I usually edit mid-writing... talk about tripping yourself)

            Once done, I leave it be for a while, and then return to it with a fresh set of eyes.

            This is exactly how I used the creative process in my designs and photography, and as has become clear, though it may sometimes work for writing, I needed that extra punch.

            So again, thanks for the insight, I will be sure to bookmark, and join in on the exercises.

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              Reply#9 - Sun Jun 29, 2008 11:44 AM EDT
              {"commentId":2079885,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}
              So again, thanks for the insight, I will be sure to bookmark, and join in on the exercises.

              You're welcome. I eagerly anticipate your participation.

              For what it's worth, and pardon me if I did not see it in the points above, here's what I have come to do lately. Do keep in mind though, that from now on I am switching to freewriting and some of the other points here:

              I go about it through deciding on a theme, which I research and read. I do not return to the research once I start writing, it simply serves to give me enough knowledge on the topic for me to feel comfortable writing about it.

              what kind of writing are you describing here? Sounds like non-fiction. I've found, and it was as a journalist so a totally different style of writing, that sometimes you get so overwhelmed with good information that you:a) don't know where to start and b)feel a need to use every piece of good info. I've described journalism before as a bit like making a jigsaw puzzle. Each good commet or quote equals one piece and the trick is figuring out what piece (what comment) goes where.

              Then you give it to the mean copy editors who remove a key piece or decide the story is two inches too long.

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              #9.1 - Sun Jun 29, 2008 3:30 PM EDT
              {"commentId":2079970,"authorDomain":"umadoshi"}

              Well, it is actually about fiction. The research would be psychology or philosophy which are many times infused within my writing, though not always.

              Yet you make a very accurate point here, for it has always felt exactly as journalism, in terms that the parts have always felt better than the sum. Hah, never looked at it this way. This definitely should help me in the story I am currently working on. Thanks.

              Will post my contribution soon enough.

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              #9.2 - Sun Jun 29, 2008 3:43 PM EDT
              {"commentId":2080036,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

              Excellent. Be sure to post a link to it from here or email it to me.

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              #9.3 - Sun Jun 29, 2008 3:56 PM EDT
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              {"commentId":2079995,"authorDomain":"mightyblogger"}

              Being relatively new to the entire concept of blogging I can appreciate this article in a number of ways.

              I currently have 5 articles unpublished in the "The Open-Ended Writing Process" mode.
              I can take the time to verify and add references, ensure that I have done my three stages of writing, "tell em what you're going to tell them, tell them and then tell them what you told you them".

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              Reply#10 - Sun Jun 29, 2008 3:48 PM EDT
              {"commentId":2151184,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

              PNB, I thought I'd responded to this but I see now it didn't take. Email me if you want any help with those pieces.

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              #10.1 - Wed Jul 9, 2008 2:07 PM EDT
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              {"commentId":2482704,"authorDomain":"dcstone01"}

              Wow.

              I am going to keep this in my favorites. Will look at the link you posted above for more writing tips.

              Some of the ideas mentioned in the article above remind me of some of the processes I learned and used when I took my college writing class. Still have the book 'Effective Reading, Effective Writing'. I learned so much.

              I went into the class ok, but I learned to be better organized (of course), but the instructor did touch on the 'minutes of free writing' then geting away from it, no self editing, etc.... Maybe she read this bones thing as well?

              Thanks Scott.

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              Reply#11 - Sun Aug 17, 2008 6:12 PM EDT
              {"commentId":2483279,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

              the 'minutes of free writing' then geting away from it, no self editing, etc.... Maybe she read this bones thing as well?

              Thanks Scott.

              Probably. Elbow and Annie Dillard are often read and assigned in writing classes. The irony is I was taking a writing class after ending my professional writing career and everyone else there (except the teacher and I) were under 25.

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              #11.1 - Sun Aug 17, 2008 7:35 PM EDT
              {"commentId":2483320,"authorDomain":"dcstone01"}

              I know what you mean about the age thing. Along with the instructor I was one of 3 people that were over 40 in my class. (just took it in fall '07).

              Will look into the book.

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              #11.2 - Sun Aug 17, 2008 7:41 PM EDT
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              {"commentId":2679260,"authorDomain":"theblackmansview"}

              Well that will will point me to some insight, good looking out,now I have to replace the motor on my spaceship.

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              Reply#12 - Mon Sep 1, 2008 11:23 AM EDT
              {"commentId":6453833,"authorDomain":"steffieb333"}

              Been taking Creative Writing for Publication since 1994 when a friend invited me to her class. It was at Waukesha Co. Technical College in Pewaukee WI. I lived in Milwaukee about 20 miles away. I went. I loved it. Loved the instructor. Took it for a year or two, then stopped going (many other life complications). Tried a different writing course at a local park, and it was kind of fun but not AS fun as the first course. I was in the second course on 9/11/2001 and I wrote my numb little heart out. I didn't cry until at least January of 2002.

              I looked up Creative Writing for Publication at WCTC about five years ago and it was still being taught by the same beloved teacher. So I've been signed up and attending for the last five years or so. Our class is almost entirely excellent writers who like the class and the friendships and the critiques we give each other. We observe most of the methods described in your article. Reading your work out loud before you come to class and read it aloud to the class. We had out copies of our work and get critical comments written by each class member who wants to share. At the end of class we talk brieflyi about each work and then pass the copies back to the author, who goes home with a delicious packet of information about how their work has hit the various class members. Brave souls sign their names and never say anything mean about the work. Although our teacher dares to say "you need to go on a word diet" and with her inspiration, sometimes we get things that you wouldn't say to a writer's face but which would actually help the writer; and get him/her used to criticism from the outside more cruel world.

              Myself, I generally am writing in my head all the time I'm awake, and when I feel like getting something down to hand in for class, I just pull it out of my cloud-computer-brain. Sometimes I do it longhand in a spiral notebook, sometimes directly into Word on my computer. Usually I do the final for class right before class and get there ten minutes late. Inevitably. Even though the instructor has given out a handout saying coming late to class is very disruptive. It's a strange attractor right out of chaos theory: habits are hard to break. I'm a strange attractor, perhaps that's all people really are. But ruminations in that area are not for her or now.

              I'll be 65 in June. I have created at least thirty-six inches of writing, estimating, and published about an inch. So there is a lot of possibility contained in my file folders and I'd better get busy pushing it out into the ether for the edification of my nonexistent public. The places that have published my stuff like it, so I can't complain. A lot of people in my class don't have any intention of publishing. Others are keeping their writing out there in a systematic way, and one brings homemade cookies when she has won a contest or published a work. This person writes "You Rock!" on my stuff, and other greatlly appreciated comments. I write for her and a couple of other people in my class who love what I have to say. That is very encouraging, even though I have passed the point of being afraid to even talk out loud and will stick up for my work even if no one else likes it. That has only happened once to me in the past year; I hadn't read the thing out loud before class and when I read it in class, I was very embarrassed for the tone I had set, the hectoring way I was telling parents of a pretend grade school student in a troubled area to have pencils and paper around and learn to read if they didn't know how so they could help their children with homework. I still stick to what I meant but didn't use any humor to convey. I usually write with dry humor on even the most macabre topics.

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              Reply#13 - Mon Apr 13, 2009 2:16 AM EDT
              {"commentId":6854499,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}
              out there in a systematic way, and one brings homemade cookies when she has won a contest or published a work. This person writes "You Rock!" on my stuff, and other greatlly appreciated comments

              It does sound like you do indeed rock. Keep on writing!

              friend request sent your way.

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                #13.1 - Sat May 2, 2009 8:41 PM EDT
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                {"commentId":6867873,"authorDomain":"ladybug331"}

                This was very interesting information Scott. Thanks for putting it out there!

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                Reply#14 - Sun May 3, 2009 10:08 PM EDT
                {"commentId":6896134,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

                You are quite welcome, ladybug.

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                  #14.1 - Tue May 5, 2009 2:52 PM EDT
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                  {"commentId":7644648,"authorDomain":"jaandersen"}

                  Thanks for the article.

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