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Dan Brown and Me: Our Dysfunctional Relationship Unveiled

Thu Mar 22, 2007 7:33 PM EDT
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By Scott (Scoop) Butki
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It could have been my big break and I missed it. But I'll get over it.

Back before I wrote book reviews and author interviews for Blogcritics and Newsvine, and even back before I created, edited and wrote for a book review page at a newspaper in Fayetteville, Arkansas, there was an Internet site about mysteries for which I wrote.

As is the case now I was sent unsolicited books to review. Only now the books I'm sent are usually ones I'd love to review, and authors I'm excited to interview, including upcoming releases from James Lee Burke and Mary Higgins Clark.

Back then I'd get books from authors I had never heard of, so desperate for press or Web attention that they'd send their books to a crazy book junkie like me. The fools!

One of those books I was sent had a cover that looked like something out of a Dungeons and Dragons game, and I pegged the author (yes, I judged the book by its cover, forgive me) as someone who played way too much of that game.

The author, I figured, was even more of a dork and geek than me.

So I set the book aside on the shelf and, when desperate for money, sold it via Amazon.

Years later the book The Da Vinci Code became a huge best-seller. I read it but loathed it. I found it predictable, trite, with characters written with less depth than a third-grader would compose. In short, I hated it.

But maybe I'm missing something, I figured. When I'd repeatedly run into people insisting I must read and love this book I thought, "What are they getting out of this that I'm not?"

Perhaps I was just annoyed that Brown implied his book contained more historical accuracies than it actually did and I'm always a bit peeved when authors blur the lines between fact and fiction, leaving the reader to sort out and/or guess which is which.

(This peeve later resurfaced, like a zit that just won't go away, when James Frey messed with readers heads - causing mine to nearly explode - about what was fact and what was fiction.)

Thus we now have millions of Americans who think they know details about the Vatican that are not actually accurate.

But it's just a novel, some say. Why do you care if it's true or not? The problem, as this Wikipedia link notes and this newsviner's rant serves as a good example, is the author implies much of his fiction about the Catholic church is fact and some readers take that as, no pun intended, gospel.

I decided to give Dan Brown another try and read the Angels and Demons book. As I was reading it there was something bothering me, and it wasn't just that the plots and characters were so similar that if they were not written by the same author I would have expected a lawsuit over stolen content ideas.

No, what was bothering me, I figured out, was that I had seen this book cover before. And that title sounded damn familiar.

Finally it occurred to me – this was the book I was sent unsolicited, the one I didn't read.

So what does it all mean? Am I crazy to think that if I'd written a review of the book I would have been the first to champion this author and went on to fame and fortune alongside him? Well, probably not, especially since my review would have been negative.

Still, each time I see Dan Brown's name I think, "Man, I could have been the first! I could have started this crazy trend."

And then I feel chills run through my body and think, "Whew! I'm sure glad I don't have that guilt on me," and then I feel better.

Now my story has been told. I feel slightly less dirty now.

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Kurt

Well, I guess thanks?

  • 3 votes
Reply#1 - Thu Mar 22, 2007 7:39 PM EDT
Scott (Scoop) Butki

You're welcome.

  • 2 votes
Reply#2 - Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:01 PM EDT
yasmin

You know what, I really enjoyed Angels and Demons better than it's unofficial sequel. But I liked them as works of fiction, and they certainly won't be taught in Great Books Seminars 50 years from now.

  • 4 votes
Reply#3 - Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:09 PM EDT
aprilbd

That's funny. I am a literature major and I like to think I know what good literature is and appreciate it. I did, however, love both the Da Vinci Code and Angels and Demons, despite the fact that I know they are not good literature.

When I started Angels and Demons, I was like... are you serious? Another waking up in the middle of the night, "you must come with me Mr. Langdon," a beautiful woman who sustains a personal loss, a mission... this is the exact same stuff! But I was still hooked. I found Brown to be really intelligent with the ideas he came up with, but not a very good writer. People overlook the writing for the plot, I suppose, myself included. When I was able to trot around Rome and look at the churches and obelisks, etc. I was a pretty happy camper, crappy literature or not.

  • 6 votes
Reply#4 - Tue Apr 17, 2007 10:08 AM EDT
Scott (Scoop) Butki

Yasmin and April, thanks for the comments.

I think you guys are right when you say its enjoyable but not great literature. I don't want to begrudge people enjoying books but on the other hand....
well, let me ask you this question.
Imagine you're in a room with 20 people. Each is asked to state their name, their hobbies and their favorite book ever.
If 5 of the 20 list a Dan Brown book would you be concerned about them? About their choices?
Now if I told you the 20 were all prospective teachers does that change your opinion at all?

  • 5 votes
Reply#5 - Tue Apr 17, 2007 2:25 PM EDT
aprilbd

Well, for someone to list it as their favorite book, as in the best book they ever read, the one they have enjoyed more than any other book in their whole life, then yes, I might see them as a little superficial with entertainment. It's like people who like really stupid, mindless movies. I don't need people to watch highly philosophical films - I probably wouldn't understand those myself - but my younger sister watches and laughs at some movies where I'm just like, How can you be amused by this? And my sister is a smart girl, she just doesn't have a high standard for movies.

The same principle applies with literature. In theory, your favorite book can be whatever you want it to be, but to choose something like the Da Vinci Code as your ultimate favorite above all other books says a lot about you. You're not inferior to other people in any way, but chances are you're not a connoisseur of literature either.

So long as it's not a literature teacher, it would be okay ;)

(Now you have made me sound like a snob!)

  • 5 votes
#5.1 - Tue Apr 17, 2007 4:05 PM EDT
trex-138069

I'll play Devil's advocate here and say that a teacher of art or art history, such as my erudite and tasteful self, has a right to enjoy Brown's books, because they make such imaginative use of great monuments and works of art for the settings and McGuffins of their plots. Of course, Brown's interpretations of those works are always a total hoot (just try to read his description of Leonardo's "Madonna of the Rocks" without snorting loudly), but he does get people to go and look at them. And that's a good thing.

  • 2 votes
#5.2 - Sat Jun 21, 2008 2:53 PM EDT
Scott (Scoop) Butki

I'll play Devil's advocate here and say that a teacher of art or art history, such as my erudite and tasteful self, has a right to enjoy Brown's books, because they make such imaginative use of great monuments and works of art for the settings and McGuffins of their plots. Of course, Brown's interpretations of those works are always a total hoot (just try to read his description of Leonardo's "Madonna of the Rocks" without snorting loudly), but he does get people to go and look at them. And that's a good thing.

Thanks for the comments. Two responses: 1) I asked an art teacher about Brown's assertions and he too snorted long and hard
and 2) I never said one can't or shouldn't have the right to enjoy it. I just also have the right to say I'm frightened when people a) act like he's speaking facts and not just conjecture and b) when they act like it's the best novel ever.

  • 3 votes
#5.3 - Sun Jun 22, 2008 5:03 PM EDT
trex-138069

Scott, I agree with you on those two points.

  • 3 votes
#5.4 - Sun Jun 22, 2008 6:42 PM EDT
Scott (Scoop) Butki

Well, good. See I knew we could find some common ground. Now I'll also agree with you on this:

just try to read his description of Leonardo's "Madonna of the Rocks" without snorting loudly), but he does get people to go and look at them. And that's a good thing.

  • 2 votes
#5.5 - Sun Jun 22, 2008 6:55 PM EDT
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indelible inc.

Ahh, you reminded me of the James Frey debacle...I was so upset. I found that book before Oprah did and absolutely loved it...but I can't even look at the cover anymore without cringing. I can't recommend it anymore.

As for Mr. Brown, I appreciate his place in entertainment. That's the only nice statement I can think of, so I'll quit ahead.

  • 4 votes
Reply#6 - Wed Apr 18, 2007 7:20 AM EDT
Scott (Scoop) Butki

As for Mr. Brown, I appreciate his place in entertainment. That's the only nice statement I can think of, so I'll quit ahead

That was a very nice way to put it.

  • 4 votes
#6.1 - Thu May 17, 2007 3:26 AM EDT
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Scott (Scoop) Butki

If you pay attention to my interviews with memoirists I invariably ask them some variation of a question about Frey and the answers have been pretty interesting so far.

  • 2 votes
Reply#7 - Wed Apr 18, 2007 3:15 PM EDT
Scott (Scoop) Butki

And now the man who accused Brown of plagiarism has died. I was sort of hoping the guy would win on appeal.

  • 1 vote
Reply#8 - Sat Dec 1, 2007 12:44 PM EST
trex-138069

Scott, that guy already inadvertently got what he deserved when the judge ridiculed him for suing a novelist for supposedly stealing the "plot" of his allegedly non-fiction book. What he did, before the whole world, was to confirm what most of us already knew, which was that "Holy Blood, Holy Grail" was fiction, not history. And it isn't plagiarism if the author acknowledges the source of an idea, which Brown did, several times in the course of TDVC.

  • 3 votes
#8.1 - Sat Jun 21, 2008 2:50 PM EDT
Scott (Scoop) Butki

Excellent point.

FWIW,
There's a story in the New York Times today about worries the Angels and Demons movie will draw tourists to Rome.

    #8.2 - Tue Jun 24, 2008 11:58 AM EDT
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    Jared Kardos

    I liked Angels and Demons. It's certainly not deep literature, and the similarities between it and Da Vinci are wierd, but it was enjoyable to read. The fact that I never finished The Da Vinci Code probably helped, too.

    • 4 votes
    Reply#9 - Mon Dec 3, 2007 1:38 PM EST
    Brad Leclerc

    I think of the Dan Brown books, Digital Fortress would be my favourite...but then, I'm a cipher junkie who enjoys the company of hackers...so that's probably why hehe.

    • 5 votes
    Reply#10 - Mon Dec 3, 2007 1:53 PM EST
    Trevor Fitzright

    You had a chance to end the career of that overrated poser before it even started and didn't take it? Damn you, Salazar Butki, damn you!
    *shaking fist in the air*

    • 3 votes
    Reply#11 - Mon Dec 3, 2007 2:42 PM EST
    Scott (Scoop) Butki

    I know. I feel awful about it.

    • 2 votes
    #11.1 - Tue Dec 4, 2007 9:56 AM EST
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    Lilithbytes

    I think the popularity happened due to the religious angst that was occurring and is occurring; it got people to question an institution which people 'en mass' want to question so vehemently but are too 'god fearing'to do so. I enjoyed the book for this reason.

    I was probably much younger than your tired eyes which graze the population with criticism. It is rebellious in its depiction of societal secrets, which because of its popularity adds a certain disarmament to those institutions. I guess what I am trying to say is, it was popular because it was popular, and because it was popular it was popularized. I read the book because it was 'Wow the Da Vinci Code'.

    I personally think anything which bashes the patriarchy a little more than valid.

      Reply#12 - Mon Dec 3, 2007 3:36 PM EST
      Youssef51

      But it's just a novel, some say.

      Dunno, Scott.

      Brown says in the introduction that he believes that his story is basically true, based on verifiable historical facts.

      I see two possibilities for his claim of historical reality. Either he is augmenting his PR steamroller (barely necessary) or he is demented.

      I'm not arguing with success! Plenty of very successful people have been and still are completely out of their gourds! I just wonder if he really believes his own nonsense.

      And it was a crap book, BTW.

      • 1 vote
      Reply#13 - Tue Dec 4, 2007 10:12 AM EST
      Scott (Scoop) Butki

      Yes it was a crap book and when I've run into people who tell me it's the best book they ever read I just want to scream. Put another way it's a book some say i should love but I hated

        #13.1 - Tue Dec 4, 2007 2:11 PM EST
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        Carole R

        It might be a little like listening to an opera singer, saying yes, that is technically very good, but there is something missing. Then listening to someone who is not an opera singer yet the singing totally absorbs you. I also can liken it to listening to a musician also technically correct but whose playing leaves me cold. Books and writers can be like that too I think. They can be a great piece of literature, or a great read....sometimes the two come together.

        • 3 votes
        Reply#14 - Tue Dec 4, 2007 4:15 PM EST
        Jared Kardos

        Yeah, books are like any form of entertainment: there's the brilliant literature, the fun books, and the pieces of @!$%#. Da Vinci Code would probably be more in the third catagory, but Angels and Demons, I think, was a fun book.

        • 1 vote
        #14.1 - Tue Dec 4, 2007 4:19 PM EST
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        Division by Zero

        I concluded a long time ago that there are enjoyable books and there is great literature. Enjoyable books will sell hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of copies and their authors will go on talk shows and book tours. Great literature will win awards and critical acclaim but will likely only sell a few thousand copies at best, not including those the author stores in his garage. Great literature will be spoken of in college classes but not much farther. Writers will study great literature but dream of writing enjoyable books.

        • 4 votes
        Reply#15 - Sun Jun 22, 2008 10:58 PM EDT
        Charlie Courtois

         Writers will study great literature but dream of writing enjoyable books.

        You are absolutely right, Division.

        Scott, apropos. the DaVinci Code, I liked the story, was amused by the various connections he made with the Church, and I paid the coincidences no mind. It was, after all, fiction!

        I returned to the Catholic Church in April, 2007, and by then the elders of the faith were up in arms with Dan Brown, and the 'Daaaa Vinci Code.'  Many others a lot smarter than me - - - were writing reams about the blurring of truth and Brown's disregard for the real truth which some of the Catholic believers would be confused about. Not that they aren't already confused about their faith.

        Give the devil his due! Brown wrote an enjoyable book, as Division calls one that sells millions of copies. However, I didn't rush out to read his next title. Now that I have heard some reviews, I probably won't.

        • 1 vote
        Reply#16 - Mon Jan 5, 2009 1:37 PM EST
        Scott (Scoop) Butki

        Give the devil his due!

        was that an intentional pun since his books have so many demons?

        • 3 votes
        #16.1 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 2:36 PM EDT
        Charlie Courtois

        was that an intentional pun since his books have so many demons?

        No, Scott.

        I wish I could take credit but it was just a turn of phrase. I think I would have had to capitalize devil to have been that clever.

        • 4 votes
        #16.2 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 4:39 PM EDT
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        Scott (Scoop) Butki

        I pass by a street named Atkinson en route to my new apartment so i keep thinking of author Kate Atkinson. Could be worse - it could be Dan Brown Way.

        • 2 votes
        Reply#17 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 2:31 PM EDT
        Charlie Courtois

        it could be Dan Brown Way.

        Now knowing your view of his later efforts, that would have been hard to take everytime you drove by!

        • 2 votes
        Reply#18 - Mon Mar 16, 2009 4:41 PM EDT
        Scott (Scoop) Butki

        Exactly. I still want to know what Dan Brown has on Tom Hanks to get him to do not one but two movies (films which I hear - or at least the first - are worse than the books) based on his books.

        • 3 votes
        #18.1 - Tue Mar 17, 2009 9:48 PM EDT
        Charlie Courtois

        Scott, I think you probably know the answer to that---greed and avarice--- The duplicitous Twins!

        • 3 votes
        #18.2 - Wed Mar 18, 2009 12:34 PM EDT
        Scott (Scoop) Butki

        But Tom Hanks is so folksy and already so rich!

        I know, i know, it's probably all an act.

          #18.3 - Wed Mar 18, 2009 7:34 PM EDT
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          Roy Batty

          I found two of Brown's other novels ... Digital Fortress and Deception Point... to be great reads and am surprised they haven't shown up as movies. The are just good actioners and have nothing to do with Code or Demons.

          • 2 votes
          Reply#19 - Wed Mar 18, 2009 5:23 PM EDT
          Division by Zero

          I read Deception Point about 2 years ago and I agree that it would make for a good popcorn movie, something along the lines of Armageddon or National Treasure, not too serious but an entertaining flick.

          • 3 votes
          #19.1 - Wed Mar 18, 2009 5:34 PM EDT
          Reply
          Scott (Scoop) Butki

          There's a New York Times piece I just seeded here about my nemesis

          • 1 vote
          Reply#20 - Wed May 20, 2009 6:51 AM EDT
          DragonWoman

          Glad you were able to get all that out.

          Ya... truth is subjective these days.... ask FOX news (?).... sorry to get political,

          but you are able to sort out the truth from fiction in books.... I still find it laughable that politicans all got bent out of shape over another politican lying.

          I saw DeVinci Code, but not Angels and Demons (my mom listened to the book) no I did not believe it to be the Gospel, but there is much about religion I have no faith in either. It all has been logged by human beings.

          • 1 vote
          Reply#21 - Fri Sep 11, 2009 6:43 AM EDT
          Scott (Scoop) Butki

          thanks, dragon woman, and congrats again on your one year anniversary at newsvine.

          • 2 votes
          #21.1 - Fri Sep 11, 2009 3:52 PM EDT
          DragonWoman

          Thank you.

          • 1 vote
          #21.2 - Fri Sep 11, 2009 4:06 PM EDT
          Reply
          Scott (Scoop) Butki

          So I asked Cha Cha a question: "Why do people like Dan Brown's books?"

          cha's response: "why people like Dan Brown is also a mystery to me. They are boring, slow, and incredibly poorly researched."

          cracked me up.

          you can learn about cha cha here

            Reply#22 - Sat Sep 19, 2009 1:38 PM EDT
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            Scott (Scoop) Butki

            This publication put together a list of the 20 worst Dan Brown sentences

              Reply#25 - Wed Sep 23, 2009 11:47 AM EDT
              Division by Zero

              In reading Dan Brown I'm reminded of Anne Rice to an extent. Both authors try to put so much gravitas into a sentence that it becomes unwieldy and often just awful. In the case of Rice, I like the detail but at some point it just becomes a chore to read and I skip a few pages to get back into the story. In the case of Brown I also find myself skipping around to get to the actual story and overlooking some of the awkward sentence construction. Both writers, I'm afraid, have made far more money than they actually deserve based on the quality of their work.

              • 2 votes
              #25.1 - Wed Sep 23, 2009 1:01 PM EDT
              Scott (Scoop) Butki

              oth writers, I'm afraid, have made far more money than they actually deserve based on the quality of their work.

              I totally agree with that.

                #25.2 - Wed Sep 23, 2009 3:23 PM EDT
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                Dave-792879

                The plot of DaVinci was controversial and interesting, and the unfolding of the mystery drew the reader in. But it really wasn't that well-written, and the rest of his books are worse. I'm reminded of Thomas Harris, who never wrote anything as good as Silence of the Lambs before or since.

                • 2 votes
                Reply#26 - Wed Sep 23, 2009 1:41 PM EDT
                Scott (Scoop) Butki

                Agreed - i read his hannibal one and it was horrible.

                  #26.1 - Wed Sep 23, 2009 3:23 PM EDT
                  Division by Zero

                  It only goes to show you that all it takes is one book to put you on the map and then people will read whatever else you write just based on name recognition and the blind hope that it will be somewhat decent.

                  • 2 votes
                  #26.2 - Wed Sep 23, 2009 3:37 PM EDT
                  Dave-792879

                  ... the blind hope that it will be somewhat decent.

                  Often, as in the case of Hannibal, as Scoop points out, a vain hope. Smartest thing Jodie Foster ever did was to refuse to have anything to do with the movie of that one.

                  • 2 votes
                  #26.3 - Wed Sep 23, 2009 5:17 PM EDT
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                  Scott (Scoop) Butki

                  .Minnie seeded a piece saying you can read the first paragraph of Brown's new book. Her seed is here.

                    Reply#27 - Mon Oct 12, 2009 9:39 PM EDT
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