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Is Listening To An Audiobook Inferior To Reading A Book?

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Does listening to a book count as reading it?

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Does listening to an audiobook count as "reading" a book?
Is it an inferior act? Do you retain as much?
These are some questions i have been contemplately lately.

Apparently these questions are common in some book forums and recently The New York Times did a piece on the topic, quoting a few authors as saying they'd rather have their books read then listened to.

So what's your take? Are you getting less from a book if you listen to it?

While driving, some information gets lost as people hearing the story get distracted, just as may happen to a driver listening to The Brothers Karmazov while commuting to work (and yes, I tried that).

On the other hand there are perfectly valid reason to listens to books on tape or cd.

Now I've listened to my share of audiobooks, especially when having time constraints.

Call me old school, but I think one gets more out of the one-on-one aspect of reading, focusing directly on a book you can hold in your hands, turn pages at your own pace, etc.

Besides, It's hard to dog-ear a page on a cd. Go ahead and try it.No, really, I'll wait here while you go do that.
Are you back? Ok...

You don't have to worry about whether you can stand the voice of the person reading the book and other factors unique to audiobooks.

And someday when I write my first book I would sure rather people read it than listen to it.

Now I just need to find time to actually write it, which I instead use to read books, bringing this whole issue back to
square one.

On the other hand, oral history pre-dates the printing press.

There are also some books which are better on audio because you get to hear the author's voice. Any story by David Sedaris or Sarah Vowell - both regulars on the excellent This American Life radio program - is better when heard
on audio.

Plus for Sarah's last book, Assassination Vacation, along with the Daily Show's America book, they are using actors and it's just overall much more hilarious.

Both are so good I listened to them twice. Which is something I rarely do.

Which may be another good thread someday - why do some read books multiple times while others (me) would rather read as many books as possible and doesn't want to get slowed down reading Lord of the Rings 88 times?

So I don't know - I guess I'm flip-flopping more than a politician when asked why they oppose campaign finance reform.
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Obligatory comment tracking comment.

Check one, check two, is this microphone on

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Reply#1 - Mon Apr 9, 2007 3:11 PM EDT
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Does listening to an audiobook count as "reading" a book?
Is it an inferior act? Do you retain as much?
These are some questions i have been contemplated lately.

I think it depends on the book. I find no problem with listening to audiobooks so long as the book is not too dense with information or interesting. Audiobooks are a godsend for someone who has to drive a motor vehicle or ride a lawnmower--you can't read and do other things. You can listen and do other things, but you can't fully attend and do other things. For most books, 60% attending is enough to keep up and enjoy.

I'm guessing that about 80% of books can be just as well listened to as read, but--for me, there are just some books that are too packed with information or too enthralling to be listened to with good effect. I've listened to some really good books, then had to go out and buy or check print copies out of the library to really get a handle on what's being said.

I am a natural speed reader. I was in my forties when I read books on how to speed read and discovered that what I had guiltily thought was cheating myself when I read most textbooks for school was actually the best method for retention. I called it skimming, but it was really reading in blocks--not word by word, but sentence by sentence, paragraph by paragraph or even section by section--never falling out of perspective to descend into walking through the presentation on a word by word basis.

But I cannot read some books that way. They just insist that I slow down and not skim for the points but actually surrender to the authors unwinding of the story or information. I think listening to books of this quality is not only inadequate but also dangerous. I could see myself driving into an ocean as I tried to digest some of them.

I guess I'd say that some books are just too good to listened to. Most however can be listened to just fine.

In all of this discussion, I have assumed that if the time is available, the preference is for reading rather than listening--it's quicker. So then I'd also add that listening is wonderful for most books because it allows one to do other things--usually mindless habitual things.

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#1.1 - Fri Jun 13, 2008 11:59 AM EDT
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I agree it depends on the book. Some must be read and considered. I had a hard time listening to the Einstein bio for this interview on audio and yet I knew the odds of me getting through it in book form was even less so (The hard part was i'd hear some great quote from Einstein and my mind would wander)

But it was at a time when I was driving for four hours a day to attend classes.

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#1.2 - Fri Jun 13, 2008 1:58 PM EDT
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{"commentId":631949,"authorDomain":"vikibabbles"}

I tried listening to an audio book once. After about fifteen minutes, I turned it off.

I no longer have the ability to read purely for pleasure. When I read, I am doing so with an eye towards how the writer has done what he or she has done--character development, description, scene, everything. I can't do that when listening. I need to be able to read something, have a reaction to it, and make note of it in my journal.

It could also be the difference between being an auditory learner and a visual learner. I'm definitely visual.

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Reply#2 - Mon Apr 9, 2007 5:27 PM EDT
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Being a musician, I'm pretty sure auditory is a big component for me.

The one time I listened to audio books was back when I could still drive long distances. Music made me sleepy, and often the radio was slim pickins down I80 through the hills of PA on my way to NYC.

One memorable read was Edith Wharton's "The Age of Innocence." It was exactly the right length, though i sat in my miraculously found parking spot for about 3 minutes to hear the very end. My friend in NYC had just given a talk at an Edith Wharton conference. So, part of my trip consisted of two gals sitting at a sidewalk café talkin' lit'rature.

Now that I think of it, audiobooks may be a good idea whilst cleaning house.

I was also a big fan of CBS Radio Mystery Theatre back in the day.

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#2.1 - Wed May 16, 2007 12:55 PM EDT
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NPR talks a lot about "the driveway moment" as in you know the radio programming - or i this case the audiobook - is good when you stay in a driveway to finish listening to it as opposed to turning it off as soon as you reach your destination.

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#2.2 - Thu May 17, 2007 12:33 AM EDT
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I think you are right Vicki, some of my students absorb the information best if they listen to a tape, others will drift off into their own thoughts when listening to a tape. I personally like listening to podcasts, yet prefer reading novel length in a book as it's easier to find my place if I drift off to sleep whilst reading/listening and podcasts are shorter generally.

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#2.3 - Fri Aug 3, 2007 6:04 AM EDT
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That makes sense. Thanks for your comment

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#2.4 - Fri Aug 3, 2007 9:35 AM EDT
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{"commentId":632522,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

Question to you: If you had to go to a job, say, an hour away and was spending two hours a day in the car would you reconsider listening to audiobooks?

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Reply#3 - Mon Apr 9, 2007 11:11 PM EDT
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Maybe, but not likely. I love driving places, listening to music, looking around at stuff going on around me, thinking, being alone for an extended period of time.

I had originally thought, when buying a few audiobooks for my iPod, that I would listen to them in the car on the way downtown to class, because that takes around a half hour, and sometimes it's over an hour on the way back. Probably, I should try listening when I'm sitting in traffic, because I hate that.

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#3.1 - Mon Apr 9, 2007 11:13 PM EDT
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Yes, sbutki, that's what I do. Only rarely though, I do prefer my music. Sometimes it's to keep my daughter entertained on a long journey (which means the Doctor Who and Roald Dahl ones, which I rather enjoy myself).

Sometimes it's hard to find time to actually sit down and read because by the time everything in the day is over I'm too tired to concentrate. Sometimes then, it's nice to use audio books while doing other things like driving to get a fix of literature.

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#3.2 - Tue Apr 10, 2007 3:17 AM EDT
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Scott, I have to travel quite a bit to get anywhere, and audio is the way to utilize that time in the car. I am currently looking for the best "Spanish" course to listen to, so I can learn to speak the language on my commute to and from work.

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#3.3 - Fri Aug 3, 2007 7:51 AM EDT
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You know Vikki, so much depends on the narrator. Unlike Scott, I tend to stay away from author read books unless I take a dry run and see if he can read. Most authors can't, so don't buy or download them.

But audio books are a savior, and a way to increase the productivity of time otherwise spent cursing the idiot in front of you.

Which, btw, reminds me of the most peculiar thing I have ever seen while driving in traffic.

I have seen folks putting on makeup, trimming their hair, reading books, papers. But about four months ago I saw a guy playing the violin at a stop light. I laughed for an hour.

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#3.4 - Fri Aug 3, 2007 10:35 AM EDT
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I have a friend who taught himself the harmonica by playing it during the daily commute to D.C. (about two hours)

I think authors generallly are pretty good at reading their own stuff and even if they aren't it's interesting to hear how they think their own stuff should be presented.

But then i'm one of those guys who also listens to director commentaries so i'm often looking for not just the story but the story about the story

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#3.5 - Fri Aug 3, 2007 12:17 PM EDT
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Well, my experience has been the opposite. Like Stephen King, he should never read his own stuff, and others.

I stay away from them, or take a test drive as I say.

I agree it can be interesting, but if they are a bad narrator, the detraction from the story is huge, and not, to me, worth the insight.

Another sore point, readers that try to sound like their characters, ie, a male trying to sound female, or vice versa. DON"t do it!

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#3.6 - Fri Aug 3, 2007 12:28 PM EDT
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Another sore point, readers that try to sound like their characters, ie, a male trying to sound female, or vice versa. DON"t do it!

I'm not so sure I agree. I don't mind some variation in voices though I agree men should not try on a female voice and vice versa.

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#3.7 - Fri Jun 13, 2008 11:05 AM EDT
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{"commentId":633014,"authorDomain":"yasmin"}

I can't do it. I am a visual person. I have to read. The time I tried to listen to an audiobook I was zoning at the ten minute mark, and it was an interesting book. If I were in a car I would need music to keep me focused.

I guess this is why podcasts haven't really been as much of an addiction for me, unless they're short.

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Reply#4 - Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:05 AM EDT
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It depends a lot on the book and the author and the type of trip and other variables.
Obviously if I was headed to a job interview it might be the best time to try to
focus on Crime and Punishment. But if I was headed to a job an hour away and
the traffic was light it might be a good time to give it a try.

Thanks for the responses, Viki and Biscuit and Yasmin.

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Reply#5 - Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:44 AM EDT
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Hi Sbutki
This is a really good question. I used to read a lot, but with broadband internet access, cable TV, a Playstation and an array of electronic gadgets with all sorts of entertaining functions, I've found that I've hardly read anything in the last few years.
I tried downloading e-books so I could read on my phone on the way to and from work (public transport, not driving you'll be glad to hear!). This was good for a while - there's so much great stuff available from Gutenberg.
The problem was that I was finding more and more podcasts to download and keeping up to date with them on my phone was leaving less time for reading.
In the end, I stopped downloading e-books and replaced them with short stories as podcasts - Come Let Me Whisper, Escape Pod, among others.
I've now found time to "read"/ "listen to" a novel a month, which I get from Audible.
As long as the narrator's voice isn't too annoying, I really enjoy listening to books - maybe the fact my choice is often suspense novels or horror adds to the experience.
So sorry for being so long-winded, but my answer would be yes, listening to a book counts as reading it - I'd be delighted to listen to your first book if you record it personally!

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Reply#6 - Tue Apr 10, 2007 1:26 PM EDT
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Nothing wrong with being "long-winded"

I think if I recorded my book, after I, um, wrote it (details!), I'd be one of those going, "Do I really sound like that!?'

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#6.1 - Tue Apr 10, 2007 2:52 PM EDT
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When you can write in the margins of an audiobook, I'll try them out.

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Reply#7 - Tue Apr 10, 2007 3:55 PM EDT
{"commentId":634336,"authorDomain":"vikibabbles"}

YES!!! I'm with you, Kyle.

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#7.1 - Tue Apr 10, 2007 7:48 PM EDT
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Ok. sounds good.

Incidentally I've been listening on audio to Frank McCourt's Teacher Man.
Are any of you listening to any books on audio and, if so, what?

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Reply#9 - Wed Apr 18, 2007 1:19 PM EDT
{"commentId":657842,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

I've contacted a few publishers to ask if I can get my books to review on audio since
I seem to have more time lately to listen to books than to sit and read them. I've not
decided whether that is cheating in some way but I figure I'll just note in the interview
or review that I did it that way.

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Reply#10 - Sun Apr 22, 2007 11:38 AM EDT
{"commentId":666929,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

Received two books on cd tonite and am loving one of them.

It's Boomsday the hilarious new book by Christopher Buckley, author
of Thank You For Smoking. The audio is by Janine Garafolo and she is a perfect
match for this book witth a feisty liberal mean lead character.

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#10.1 - Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:45 AM EDT
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{"commentId":658594,"authorDomain":"Henryvii"}

I think it really depends on what else you're doing while you listen to it. When reading, your mind is generally focused on the book. When listening, you're usually doing something else. If that something else is simple, like running or driving [or reading along in the book] - then it counts, in my opinion. If you're using your mind elsewhere, like surfing the tubes - it no longer counts.

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Reply#11 - Sun Apr 22, 2007 7:47 PM EDT
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Agreed, audio books can be very useful too. For example, I get to sit in traffic on my way to and from work daily... Audio books help me relax, learn and keep my mind stress-free for the most part.

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#11.1 - Fri Jun 13, 2008 12:26 PM EDT
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Ah, yes, that's true and what I like best about that scenario is that you can feel like you're accomplishing something even though you're not moving. Though I also often keep a book in the car for such situations but this way makes more sense.

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#11.2 - Fri Jun 13, 2008 2:01 PM EDT
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{"commentId":658718,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

"surfing the tubes?" I'm not sure what that means.

Let me ask what I think you're getting at:
Is there an important distinction to be made between listening to a book while doing the same commute to and from work that you always do and, say, driving somewhere you've never been and thus
focused more on road signs and other details?
Answer: Yes.

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Reply#12 - Sun Apr 22, 2007 8:57 PM EDT
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A Series of Tubes

Yes, it depends on how much of your brain you allot to listening to the audiobook. Ideally, one would listen while following along in an eBook. Next would be listening while not doing anything. Then doing something that doesn't require much thought. It's not really black and white.

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#12.1 - Sun Apr 22, 2007 9:07 PM EDT
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{"commentId":658778,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

Ah, I tried to block Ted Stevens out of my brain, apparently somewhat
successfully.

Ideally, one would listen while following along in an eBook.

While driving!?!
I'll tell the police officer that Henry said it was ok to read my e-book while driving:)

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Reply#13 - Sun Apr 22, 2007 9:35 PM EDT
{"commentId":658992,"authorDomain":"Henryvii"}

As long as you have one of those vehicles with an HUD...

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#13.1 - Sun Apr 22, 2007 11:23 PM EDT
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{"commentId":660704,"authorDomain":"jordanrivas"}

Books? What are these books of which you speak? I believe you are referring to the inferior form of graphic novels, the ones without pictures. Meh.

Excuse me while I go "read" Batman: The Dark Knight Returns.

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Reply#14 - Mon Apr 23, 2007 5:41 PM EDT
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As I type this I'm being shipped review copies on audio to supplement the books
I have, for the new Einstein biography, Don Delillo's latest and James Burke'e latest.

I'm just finishing up listening to Boomsday. That will mark the first book I'm reviewing by
listening to it versus reading it.

Maybe I'm crazy or overly sensitive or maybe it's the writer in me that feels like I'm
not being fair as a reader when I don't "read" the book in the traditional way. Thus I
feel like I should mention in the review that I listened to it versus read it.

It's also what sparked me to consider polling the authors with those three questions above.

In a perfect world I'd read all of the 15 books laying, waiting, for me to read and review
and/or use for an interview.
In my world I'm ready to start "cheating" by using audio. Yet there I go again calling it
"cheating."

Any thoughts on this?

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Reply#16 - Thu May 3, 2007 9:06 PM EDT
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Audiobooks are making interesting adjustments like shorter chapters - I saw one advertised yesterday as a new chapter every 3 minutes.
That way when you're listening and you realize you missed something important, or you just pulled up to order fast food and the announcer interupted important dialogue, you can just click back a chapter or two.

Or with Boomsday, Christopher Buckley's new one, there's one chapter that never fails to make me laugh. So lately I listen to that track once a day just like people listening to their favorite song.

When's the last time you picked up a book and read the same chapter four days in a row? Granted, it's a chapter where a preidential candidate tells a stuffy president to shut the f up and how the media struggled with how to carry that story.:)

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Reply#17 - Wed May 9, 2007 11:16 AM EDT
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Then I came home and found two books on my doorstep. I think it would be hard to think of two books less similar. One was the new biography of Einstein by Walter Isaacson. I'd previously arranged an interview with the author then asked if I can get it on cd since it's pretty dense. Coincidentally the Hagerstown campus of the Frostburg university has a new book discussion group, which I helped inspire and start. And the book chosen for next month is... the Einstein one.

The other one is by Kate White, who I'd never heard of before a publicist begged me to read and interview the author. Has anyone here read of her stuff? It looks like Harelquin-Nora Roberts type stuff except by a Cosmo editor.

You know what I should do? Send the wrong questions to the wrong author so I'd be asking Kate White what she thought the repercussions were of Einstein's involvement with the bomb and I'll get back an answer involving orgasms and have to explain I'm talking about a different kind of bomb.

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Reply#18 - Thu May 10, 2007 2:19 PM EDT
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For my composition class we are to journal twice a week on whatever we are thinking about – he said it did not even have to relate to class topics – and then stop and reflect on how what we wrote can be turned into something else, i.e. an essay, a poem, a song, etc.

Journal #1 – Scott Butki

While driving to and from work and, on Thursday to class in Frostburg I have been listening to books on cd. I've debated with people whether it is truly "reading" to read a book on audio and have even polled some authors on the topic. Pulling together that poll into an article is on my to-do list. But not until after I catch up on my reading in this class, of course.

But what really struck me Thursday was the content of what I was listening to. I was alternating between two books: "What's So Funny?" by Donald Westlake and a new popular biography of Einstein. I'm interviewing both authors via email. I've joked with friends about accidentally sending the wrong questions to the wrong authors.

As we talked about in class Thursdays ideas seem to come at the most inopportune time. And so it was here. I recently "read" on audio Malcolm Gladwell's The Tipping Point. I'd read it a few years before and listened last year to his other best-seller, Blink. I'd been sent a copy of The Tipping Point by his publisher after I offered to write a review of it.

But for the last week I've struggled with what I can say about his writing that has not already been said. Or even how to begin. I think it was listening to Walter Isaacson struggle to explain Einstein's theories as I drove through Cumberland that sparked the thought about how hard it is to make science interesting. I've written before about how it is harder to write short pieces than it is long pieces and this is sort of a similar idea – it is harder to write in simple language about complex ideas without losing the meaning.

So I pulled over in a gas station and scribbled the following down:

"It takes a truly talented and gifted writer to make complicated science not only understandable to someone unknowledgeble about science but to make it downright fascinating, mesmerizing and engaging.

Many authors try to pull off this Herculean task and most fail. The mistake many writers make is they dumb down the content, thus robbing the reader of some of the more important details.

Today I am going to talk about one writer who pulls it off: Malcolm Gladwell, author of the best-selling works The Tipping Point and Blink.

I have written before about a few other writers who have this gift, most notably James Gleick and the late great Richard Feynman.

But Gladwell is our focus today. He has managed to pull together countless case studies, theories and concepts into fascinating books, upending common beliefs and myths. He has pulled off the task of teaching about various concepts of philosophy and social science while also stringing together fascinating stories…."

I stopped there to make sure I would not be late for class. But I had the start of a good review and I have no idea where exactly those thoughts came from, perhaps germinating in my sub-conscious for weeks.

Reflection: Those words I wrote down will provide the start of my book review of Gladwell's books. But they could also become an essay about science writing in general. They could even form the basis for an interesting interview as I ask science writers whether they agree this is a difficult task and how they pull it off.

I thought I'd mention this experience as my first journal piece because it proved a point you touched on regarding the one part of the writing process that is hard to explain because it is not quite ration, namely inspiration or a specific idea comes when you least expect it to. For me, for some reason, ideas seem to come most often when I'm driving and I have to pull over and scribble down some thoughts.

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Reply#19 - Fri Jun 1, 2007 10:26 AM EDT
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Anyone listen to any good books lately?

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Reply#20 - Fri Jun 8, 2007 6:26 PM EDT
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I have not done it yet, but I want to try to download an audiobook onto my iPod and listen to it this way.

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Reply#22 - Wed Jul 4, 2007 9:57 AM EDT
{"commentId":837140,"authorDomain":"Brad-Leclerc"}

I both have there place I'd say. I much prefer actually reading a book to listening to it in most cases. I just absorb more usually that way, being a visual learner and such. I do however enjoy audio books immensely on the walk to the bus stop, or grocery store, or whatever...when actually READING would be a challenge.

In some cases I would even say you CAN get more out of some audio books then the text version if they are done well. For example almost all of Douglas Adams books are available in audio format read by Adams himself. Since wordplay, invented words, and convoluted sentence structure are a main aspect of most of his writing, it's very beneficial to HEAR the story as he envisioned it. Complete with strange pronunciations at times, funny accents, etc. It's a much richer experience than reading the text for yourself.

If all audio books had that type of effort and quality put into them (and some definitely do...the Sherlock Holmes collection comes to mind as well, and some of Mark Twain's work, and Orsen Scott Card's "Ender" series of books), then I would be looking for audiobooks FAR more than the actual texts..but as it stands, usually holding onto that book and reading it for yourself is the better option in my opinion.

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Reply#23 - Wed Jul 4, 2007 11:20 AM EDT
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Reply#24 - Thu Aug 2, 2007 9:58 PM EDT
{"commentId":918948,"authorDomain":"sassc"}

It is true for me that reading the book is far better and more is retained. However, I spend a large amount of time in the car, which proves to be less productive. I like to keep my mind occupied with learning something new. True, there are distractions, if that is the case you can back track immediately or begin again. Repeating the information helps to make retained data more permanent. When listening in the car I like to work with course work such a learning a new language or learning a new skill.

As for reading, I learned something very important from Bill Clinton when he made the statement during the whole impeachment ordeal. I forget the question he was asked, but his answer was short and to the point. "It depends on what the meaning of "is" is." It seemed silly at first but I had to flip through my mind files to locate that definition. I found his reply to be quite astute. I had to look "is" up om the dictionary to resolve the whole feeling silly thing.

Do you have times while reading that you start to yawn, start to feel sleepy, and eventually lose interest in your reading? This usually means that you read past something you didn't understand, You can backtrack, find the word or concept you missed, define it, and then continue reading. I have used this technique when reading many times and not only does it improve my interest ins the topic, but it builds vocabulary as well. I learned about this phenomenon my third year in college, and was amazed with how well the technique worked.

I understand that sometimes you are just sleepy, but if you pay attention to your study habits you will learn that difficult subject invoke this tired and confused state of mind. My most recent subject was was an algebra course I took this summer.

During class lectures, I often became frustrated because I did not fully understand the concepts being presented. Fortunately for me I had a math lab I could go to for clarification.

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  • 2 votes
Reply#25 - Fri Aug 3, 2007 8:59 AM EDT
{"commentId":919208,"authorDomain":"wmolaw"}

Ah, a subject near and dear to my hear.

I am a voracious reader, have always been one. That hasn't really changed.

I am also, however, very auditory. My retention is as good hearing something, as it is reading it, seeing it. I studied for the bar by dictating all the important stuff, putting on earphones, and playing golf. Listening to it before I went to bed, working construction, etc.

Even if you don't actually "hear it," you hear it.

I constantly listen to audio books, have listened to well over 800 of them, probably a lot more (I know I have that many in my collection but I have tons I burned onto CD's or my IPOD.). And they have made my life much more bearable.

Commuting is no longer an exercise in blood pressure control, it is a joy. Sometimes, I will pull into my parking lot and wait in the car until the end of the Chapter. I look forward to getting into my car, for any reason, even if popping down to the store.

I listen to a lot of non fiction, which I would tend not to read if I had my druthers. I listen to a lot of biographies, also which I would tend not to read.

So, I am voting, go for both. There is nothing like dog earing a page, and it is a lot tougher to replay a particularly great part, whereas it is much easier to just flip the page back.

But, there is space for both.

Good article.

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Reply#26 - Fri Aug 3, 2007 10:31 AM EDT
{"commentId":946082,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

I've run into a lot of people lately who mention listening to Harry Potter
on audio, as I allude to here. How does that fit into this whole
debate?

That reminds me - I still have a piece to write sometime where I write up
answers from authors I pulled regarding their thoughts on this.

I've been waiting until I get a job before I do that project - and yes I realize
that's exactly bass ackwards.

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  • 3 votes
Reply#27 - Tue Aug 14, 2007 11:52 AM EDT
{"commentId":946281,"authorDomain":"wmolaw"}

Would be interesting. Of course, the medium in which authors work is the word, so I suspect they will be quite on that side.

however, as is shown by the Harry Potter books, good story telling (which translates even better when read) is not gone, not by a long shot.

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  • 3 votes
#27.1 - Tue Aug 14, 2007 1:01 PM EDT
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David McCallum is one actor who has been in some demand to do audio books because of his special gift for voices. I had one several yrs ago that was especially good - it was a tricky job because one was a dual character. He pulled it off.
I am not one who normally liked to be read to -- in fact, if you had told me that I would get hooked on it I would have told you that you were nuts. But I did get hooked on listening to Chapter a Day on NPR -- the Wisconsin station. The man who does it is really good, good with dialog, even women's voices and does them w/o going falsetto. I loved cozying up to his voice. You can get them on tape at the NPR Wis site.

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  • 3 votes
Reply#28 - Thu Aug 16, 2007 1:48 AM EDT
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