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Shoes, Paper Clips, and Other Ways of Remembering the Holocaust

Thu Feb 15, 2007 10:58 AM EST
history, germany, nazis, sbutki-memoir
By Scott (Scoop) Butki

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It is hard for someone, in this day and age, to comprehend the enormity of the Holocaust. I have trouble making sense of it and I'm supposedly a learned person, one who has visited the excellent Museum of Tolerance in Los Angeles and - recently — the United States Holocaust Museum in Washington D.C.

If it is difficult for adults to understand the depth of horror and pain caused by the Nazis, imagine trying to convey that to children. What I have found through my 15 years as a reporter and recent work as a teacher, is that it is images and concepts, more than words and quotes, that help people come closer to understanding it all.

For example, there is a documentary called Paper Clips (2004) about a group of students from Whitwell, Tennessee Middle School. A student in the small town, which had no Jews, said it was impossible to comprehend six million of anything, let alone that many people killed. The students decided to try to collect six million paper clips, choosing those objects since Norwegians wore those in their lapels as a silent solidarity gesture with the Holocaust victims.

Not only did the idea catch on - with the help of media attention - but also they ended up with 11 million paper clips, enough to include the five million Holocaust victims who were not Jewish. The paper clips were an attempt to illustrate the war's horror, which can't be summed up in words and images.

It also does not hurt to let them interact with Holocaust-related exhibits.

Visitors at the D.C. museum walk through a freight car. A sign indicates the freight car is similar to those used to move 1,000 to 2,000 people headed to the concentration camps. At times, the freight cars would hold up to 5,000 people. The heavier the load, the slower the car would go - sometimes as slow as 30 miles per hour - and the longer the anguished trip would be. It was in trains like this that thousands were taken to the concentration camp in Dachau, Germany.

While the name of the camp is not as well known as Auschwitz, this camp served as a training center for SS concentration camp guards. It was also used as a model for other concentration camps. When American forces, 60 years ago this week, liberated the camp, they found more than 30 freight cars filled with bodies in advanced states of decomposition.

Trying to explain all of this to future generations is not an easy task. The survivors are dying off, and while their stories are being recorded, that also is not sufficient. Ways are needed to explain the terrible moral lapses that occurred in language younger people can understand.

Shoes and Names

I was curious about whether I was right that it is objects more than words that help bring these terrible historic events home to young visitors. One approach I have seen used at museums involves having the visitors come to an area filled with shoes. Each pair of shoes represents one dead person. Seeing a pile of shoes, you get a better appreciation of the magnitude of it all. When visiting the Holocaust Museum on April 26, I made a point of watching the reactions of teenagers and children to the exhibits. Along one hallway, etched in glass, are the names of some of those killed in the Holocaust. As I stopped to try to take this all in and digest it, two teenager girls walked by.

"What are all those names?" one asked.
"Are these all victims? Oh my god!"

Well said, girls.

Sure enough, there was a huge pile of at least 1,000 shoes and it got the attention of a girl walking by with her mother. The girl asked, "How did they get all of those shoes?" I did not hear her mother's response but whatever her explanation about what the shoes represented, the girl's response said it all: "Ew!"

A poem is printed above the pile of shoes, a poem by Yiddish poet Moses Schulstein:

We are the shoes, We are the last witnesses
We are shoes from grandchildren and grandfathers.
From Prague, Paris and Amsterdam
And because we are only made of fabric and leather
And not of blood and flesh,
Each one of us avoided the Hellfire"

Sharing Stories

I always looked forward to writing about Holocaust survivors who would go out of their way to tell their stories as often as possible to people, in hopes their stories will not be forgotten. Looking back, I am embarrassed at my attempts to understand and connect with them. I remember asking one if he had read Maus, Art Spiegelman's award-winning graphic novel about the Holocaust. I was reaching for a cultural vantage point to connect. That seems shallow to me now. With a sense of purpose, I would share their stories via my articles, although it was always difficult to convey all the pain and frustration they suffered in the 15 or less paragraphs I was allotted in the newspaper. Coincidentally, it was again shoes that helped explain one part of the World War II story: The American soldiers memories of it.

I have interviewed many war veterans during my reporting work and am always fascinated by their stories. I see them as not just an interview but almost an attempt to have them help me and my readers better understand history.

There is one veteran in particular that I remember well. I had interviewed several veterans for an earlier anniversary related to the war. While other veterans had told me war was, for them personally, not dangerous or scary, he was telling me that he was terrified at times. I believed him and thought the others were lying or had selective memory. Perhaps they were feeling macho or defensive. But how was I going to square the varying accounts of these veterans? So I asked him. And what was his answer?
"Shoes."

It seems he took an art class once and they were each told to draw a picture of a shoe. He looked at his picture and it appeared perfect to him. He then looked at the picture of a shoe drawn by his neighbor and could not understand how their picture was supposed to be a shoe. He realized it was the same with other people's pictures - none looked like his. It dawned on him that the shoe assignment was like the memories of war veterans - each took away from the war something different, perceived and recalled in a unique way.

I loved this analogy. He stared at me as I excitedly scribbled down his sage words. I think he may have been worried I was going to screw him over and make him look like a coward. At times during that interview, he acted like I was old and mature, mentioning obscure bits of war trivia that I barely understood. But then he'd say self-deprecating things like, "You're going to go back to the newsroom and say, 'That man is crazy!'" He also gave me my favorite war quote, which I used as a lead paragraph for one of the stories for the Arkansas newspaper I worked for at the time. "The war was a learning experience," the veteran said. I learned, he said, "that I didn't want to do it again." When I told him I could have guessed that without actually going, he looked like he was going to hug me. I only spent an hour with him but he provided me with a fresh perspective on the war

Remember

At the Holocaust Museum, there were many great quotes about the importance of remembering what happened during the war. One lesson that can be taken away from the Holocaust is that the authorities in charge are not always right. Sometimes we have to question authority and think for ourselves. It is not enough to do what is legally right - sometimes we must do what is morally right. But even that was difficult if not impossible to do in Nazi Germany without risk of being killed.

I expressed worry that children would not understand the significance of the Holocaust and why it must never happen again. An exhibit at the Holocaust Museum of 3,000 tiles painted by American school children quashed that concern

Some tiles were about love and peace while others said Hitler must be stopped. Some misunderstood the issues but enough of them clearly grasped the topics. I smiled and grabbed my camera.

After viewing the tiles, I think we can safely assume the younger generations will not forget the lessons of the past.

I sure hope I am right.

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Archchancellor

I have often wondered how the Holocaust happened - how so many people were deceived into carrying out such an enormous cluster of horrors. Then I remember that, like any world event, it did not happen by the actions of a million. It happened by a million individual actions - people who did small things, one by one.

I strongly encourage anyone interested in the psychology of such events to look into Stanley Milgram's experiments from the 1940's and 50's on this topic.

  • 5 votes
Reply#1 - Thu Feb 15, 2007 2:58 PM EST
Scott (Scoop) Butki

I am not familiar with Milgram. Can you tell me more about him?

  • 3 votes
Reply#2 - Fri Feb 16, 2007 12:37 AM EST
Archchancellor

Here's a link to a description of Milgram's most famous experiment:
http://www.milgramreenactment.org/pages/experiment.xml?location=3&page=2&text=2

There is a video with a lot of the original footage of his experiment, but it has to be ordered, and costs money. Several reenactments have been done, and a few movies have used Milgram-like experiments as their premises.

Another fascinating and closely related experiment is the Zimbardo prison experiment done at Stanford in the 70's, which demonstrated the human ability to take on roles and change personality drastically in certain situations. The Wikipedia article on this is a pretty good account:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment

I strongly encourage you to read both. These are not only incredible insights into the Holocaust, but also incredible social psychological experiments in their own rights - humans are powerful and complex animals.

  • 4 votes
Reply#3 - Fri Feb 16, 2007 12:35 PM EST
Scott (Scoop) Butki

Yikes, that's fascinating but disturbing stuff. Thanks again for the links.

  • 4 votes
#3.1 - Mon Apr 23, 2007 12:27 PM EDT
timcord2

great article scott -ta.

i went to school in the US in the 80's for my senior year. our psychology teacher showed us a movie (?) name unknown, about a group of kids who were part of an experiment at another school.
their teacher chose some to be in positions of power, others weren't. it quickly escalated out of control, i think they each wore symbols (star?) to differentiate status. those in power went wild, 'lord of the flies' style, those downtrodden were just that, they had all previously been friends. separating the popular kids from their friends and the not so- teaming them together.

the teacher organised to have them taken to the gym so as to reveal who their chosen leader was, it was a documentary of hitler at one of those mad rallies he'd hold, all shouting and spitting.
the kids all broke down and i think the teacher was fired? someone may know these details better than i. i'll tell you one thing, i remember it 22 years down the track- really powerful.

  • 4 votes
#3.2 - Wed Jun 25, 2008 6:04 PM EDT
Scott (Scoop) Butki

I know exactly what you're talking about though I don't know the name of the movie.But I talked in this discussion about doing a popular version of that experiment with the goal of letting people know what it's like to be discriminated against. The key is to give them a chance to voice their feelings about it.

read comment 12.5 at that article

great article scott -ta.

Thanks for the compliment.

  • 3 votes
#3.3 - Thu Jun 26, 2008 1:58 PM EDT
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Scott (Scoop) Butki

Thanks for the links. I'll check him out.

  • 3 votes
Reply#4 - Mon Feb 19, 2007 1:30 PM EST
Scott (Scoop) Butki

I'm clipping this to my new Hatewatch group.

  • 2 votes
Reply#5 - Sun Jun 3, 2007 10:59 AM EDT
Scott (Scoop) Butki

I talked more about Paper Clips in this review.

  • 3 votes
Reply#6 - Sun Jun 3, 2007 11:25 AM EDT
Scott (Scoop) Butki

The Holocaust Museum is being revised for good reason.

  • 1 vote
Reply#7 - Wed Aug 1, 2007 10:23 AM EDT
Quake

In response to Archchancellor, we should only have to look as far as our own president to see how a country's leaders can deceive an entire population. As Hermann Goering said..

"Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."

  • 4 votes
Reply#8 - Sat Mar 1, 2008 8:06 PM EST
Scott (Scoop) Butki

Thanks for the provocative response.

  • 4 votes
#8.1 - Sat Mar 8, 2008 8:08 PM EST
timcord2

sad thing is, the whole world has been watching this mess unfold, and has done nothing-continues to do nothing:

http://timcord2.newsvine.com/_news/2008/06/25/1610223-call-sex-crimes-what-they-are-opinion-smhcomau

forget the next link it's wrong:::::: don't know how to delete it?

http://timcord2.newsvine.com/_news/2008/06/25/1610223-call-sex-crimes-what-they-are-opinion-smhcomau?newThread=friends#comments

(how do i link stuff without copying that whole thing?)

  • 3 votes
#8.2 - Wed Jun 25, 2008 6:10 PM EDT
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Sandie Seward

Thank you, Scott, for a very well-written and interesting article. 11 Million paperclips, wonder who had the unenviable job of counting them?

  • 4 votes
Reply#9 - Sat Mar 8, 2008 8:53 PM EST
Scott (Scoop) Butki

Hi Sandie. I'm glad you liked the article - I worked hard on this one.
Not sure who counts them but I love the detail in the documentary about the postal service getting indunated with the delivery of them and finally demanding they come to the post office themselves to pick up their mail instead of having it delivered.

  • 3 votes
#9.1 - Sat Mar 8, 2008 9:03 PM EST
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clo-340943

Great article. WWII history as well as what led up to it has become of great interest to me and my youngest daughter in the last 10 years or so. Since she studied it in elementary school. In 1997 we had the opportunity to travel to Germany and when I asked her what she wanted to see there (since we only had 1 week to sightsee) she wanted to go to one of the concentration camps. We chose to visit Dachau. I'd heard about it growing up, my mother made sure I learned about many very important historical events. Our visit there there was so heart wrenching and eye opening, I really can't explain the feeling we walked away with. Walking through the barracks, showers and past the ovens brought us to tears. We walked trough the camp, silently, somber at times becoming overwhelmed by what we could see and feel.Today we still discuss not only with each other but with anyone willing to listen this very dark era. I think people need to understand that not only Jews (although the largest number) were killed but all the other groups of people who were included. Blacks, gays, handicap and many other religions such as Jehovah's Witnesses. Maybe then these other groups of people can begin to understand the atrocities that occurred.

    Reply#10 - Sun Jun 22, 2008 2:40 PM EDT
    clo-340943

    Great article. WWII history as well as what led up to it has become of great interest to me and my youngest daughter in the last 10 years or so. Since she studied it in elementary school. In 1997 we had the opportunity to travel to Germany and when I asked her what she wanted to see there (since we only had 1 week to sightsee) she wanted to go to one of the concentration camps. We chose to visit Dachau. I'd heard about it growing up, my mother made sure I learned about many very important historical events. Our visit there there was so heart wrenching and eye opening, I really can't explain the feeling we walked away with. Walking through the barracks, showers and past the ovens brought us to tears. We walked trough the camp, silently, somber at times becoming overwhelmed by what we could see and feel.Today we still discuss not only with each other but with anyone willing to listen this very dark era. I think people need to understand that not only Jews (although the largest number) were killed but all the other groups of people who were included. Blacks, gays, handicap and many other religions such as Jehovah's Witnesses. Maybe then these other groups of people can begin to understand the atrocities that occurred.

      Reply#11 - Sun Jun 22, 2008 2:43 PM EDT
      clo-340943

      Great article. WWII history as well as what led up to it has become of great interest to me and my youngest daughter in the last 10 years or so. Since she studied it in elementary school. In 1997 we had the opportunity to travel to Germany and when I asked her what she wanted to see there (since we only had 1 week to sightsee) she wanted to go to one of the concentration camps. We chose to visit Dachau. I'd heard about it growing up, my mother made sure I learned about many very important historical events. Our visit there there was so heart wrenching and eye opening, I really can't explain the feeling we walked away with. Walking through the barracks, showers and past the ovens brought us to tears. We walked trough the camp, silently, somber at times becoming overwhelmed by what we could see and feel.Today we still discuss not only with each other but with anyone willing to listen this very dark era. I think people need to understand that not only Jews (although the largest number) were killed but all the other groups of people who were included. Blacks, gays, handicap and many other religions such as Jehovah's Witnesses. Maybe then these other groups of people can begin to understand the atrocities that occurred.

        Reply#12 - Sun Jun 22, 2008 2:44 PM EDT
        christina-346569

        I wonder how many americans know that G.W. Bush's grandfather owned and built the railroad taking those Holocaust victims to those death camps.....research and reveal....

        • 4 votes
        Reply#13 - Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:23 PM EDT
        Sandie Seward

        Good point, Christina, thanks for bringing it to our attention.

        • 4 votes
        #13.1 - Wed Jun 25, 2008 4:51 AM EDT
        D DeMilo

        he also was partner in the shipping company that transported Hitlers supplies up to our entry into the war

          #13.2 - Sat May 2, 2009 10:01 PM EDT
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          Bob M.

          I visited Dachau last year, and was surprised at people taking pictures of themselves for memories. I took pictures but, somehow seemed in disbelief at how sanatized it all looked. I found that this camp was mainly used for political prisoners, and some were released and then reinterned. Those with outside contacts could get better conditions as money was paid. But the fact that such a place existed is disheartening, and we still see that our world leaders do nothing for the people in Darfur, what have we learned.

          • 3 votes
          Reply#14 - Tue Jul 1, 2008 12:49 PM EDT
          timcord2

          also look at what is happening in zimbabwe today - shocking.

          • 3 votes
          #14.1 - Wed Jul 2, 2008 6:34 PM EDT
          Scott (Scoop) Butki

          Thanks for the comments.

          • 2 votes
          #14.2 - Mon Jul 7, 2008 6:35 PM EDT
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          istem

          Hi Scott,

          Great article. I especially enjoyed reading the war veteran's experience in art class drawing pictures of shoes and the resulting analogy of veterans' war memories. That was beautiful. I came upon your page wile doing some research on a book I'm writing called Heroic Acts in Humble Shoes: America's Nurses Tell Their Stories. Shoes have been a powerful symbol through the ages and the images of well-worn shoes beside their owners' stories help to draw in the reader and create an intimacy with the topic. Van Gogh painted a series of 5 shoe pictures. The shoes/boots belonged to Parisian laborers. He felt they represented the honest labor of the working class. Those paintings are amazing.

          Again, very nice article, and I have to agree with Quake's comment and timely use of Goering's quote. It's happening again today.....

          • 2 votes
          Reply#15 - Sat Aug 9, 2008 5:01 PM EDT
          Scott (Scoop) Butki

          Thanks so much for the compliment. Keep me posted on your book.

            #15.1 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 5:06 PM EDT
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            RebelGirl

            The room filled with shoes at the Holocaust museum in D.C., was unbelievable..

            • 2 votes
            Reply#16 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:54 PM EDT
            Scott (Scoop) Butki

            Did you see it or do you mean based on my photos?

            • 2 votes
            #16.1 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 11:09 PM EDT
            RebelGirl

            No my son and I saw it during our trip to D.C. with my dad... it was breathtaking and startling at the same time..

            • 2 votes
            #16.2 - Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:15 AM EDT
            Scott (Scoop) Butki

            No my son and I saw it during our trip to D.C. with my dad... it was breathtaking and startling at the same time..

            That's an excellent summary of it.

            • 1 vote
            #16.3 - Sun Aug 17, 2008 3:28 PM EDT
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            Mego-507171

            I visited the Imperial War Museum in London, in particular the floor dedicated to the Holocaust, and the one thing I remember the most was a small TV screen that played a video of an eldery Jewish man being beaten in the streets by soliders. You know the story, you know how it ends, but somehow, your're fixated on the image.

            In 2006 I spent a couple months in Sweden, and some friends and I took a 10 day trip down on the continent. We ended our trip in Poland, and made a point of stopping at Auschwitz I and II.

            Auschwitz I is where you see the infamous sign "Arbeit Macht Frei" (work liberates), however I have to say that for the most part it doesn't look "that bad". Its when you connect your knowledge of what exactly happend, when you are told what happend where, and when you see the portions of the camp that have been turned into a holding places for the shoes, the glasses, the pots and pans....the hair, that really floor you.

            Moving on we went to Auschwitz II, the camp that has the train tracks that go all the way to the back. It's a huge field, with a bunch of smoke stacks, the buildings that they were attached to were destroyed as Nazi Germany fell. The housing areas that are left are just giant barns with wood planks for beds...

            If you walk the tracks to the back of the camp, there is a memorial ..."Never again..."

            We didn't talk much during our time in the camp, there wasn't much to say, it's a lot to take in and roll around in your mind. Not to be overly dramatic, but it fills you with the type of sorrow that can bring you to your knees.

            How? Why?

            In 2004, I was in NYC for a National Model United Nations conference. My university was representing the World Council of Churches, and as we stood in their office which had a view of the circular drive at the Secretariat we noticed that all of the flags had been lowered, and their was this melacholy parade. It was April, and this was a parade to mark 10 years since the Rwandan genocide... Never Again....right?

            Can you imagine what it must be liked to be consumed with so much hate, fear, and ignorance that you actively pursue the extermination of an entire people? No matter how many well rationed, and good, an likely accurate explanations for this phenomenon I read, I can't bring myself to empathise with the mindset. I think that is what makes it so difficult to understand.

            • 2 votes
            Reply#17 - Thu Apr 16, 2009 3:07 PM EDT
            Scott (Scoop) Butki

            You should turn these comments into an article of its own. Very good stuff here.

            Can you imagine what it must be liked to be consumed with so much hate, fear, and ignorance that you actively pursue the extermination of an entire people

            I can't and i'm glad that I can't. I think part of it has to do with charismatic leaders and people who don't think critically so much as they follow like sheep.

              #17.1 - Sat May 2, 2009 8:33 PM EDT
              Mego-507171

              Yeah I should. I'm working on an article about Peru, though I might have to turn that into a series of articles. I wish I would have been able to bring more books, and my notebooks with me to Mexico, because it would make writing the articles easier.

              • 2 votes
              #17.2 - Sat May 2, 2009 9:31 PM EDT
              Scott (Scoop) Butki

              I hope you find time for writing it. Do so and I'll help it find a larger audience.

                #17.3 - Sun May 3, 2009 8:57 AM EDT
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                D DeMilo

                very well written and moving article Scott, but painful and saddening. I knew a couple when I was growing up that survived the camps.

                thank you

                for those that can't wrap their heads around (so to speak) 11 million. imagine the entire population of Pa. being taken away and exterminated.

                  Reply#18 - Sat May 2, 2009 10:09 PM EDT
                  Scott (Scoop) Butki

                  Thank you. One reason I really like the documentary Paper Clips and encourage it to be seen by everyone because of its simple but effective way os showing the enormity of 11 million of anything, be they people or paper clips. Have you seen it? My review of if it linked to above.

                    #18.1 - Sun May 3, 2009 9:04 AM EDT
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                    D DeMilo

                    haven't yet but will shortly

                      Reply#19 - Sun May 3, 2009 5:55 PM EDT
                      D DeMilo

                      Wow! I have to rent this movie. here's a link to the trailer for those interested

                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGnhilD9yGg

                      • 1 vote
                      Reply#20 - Sun May 3, 2009 6:00 PM EDT
                      Scott (Scoop) Butki

                      rent it, review it and be sure to watch the dvd extras.

                        #20.1 - Sun May 3, 2009 11:28 PM EDT
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                        Scott (Scoop) Butki

                        Decent piece on reaction to the shooting at the muesum yesterday:

                          Reply#21 - Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:58 AM EDT
                          Mego-507171

                          Pretty good. Although I do disagree that Jewish Americans are the only Americans who live in fear of terrorism (regarding their place of worship. Particularly after 9/11, I'm sure there was (and still is) great fear in the Muslim community that they be unjustly targeted in retribution. Not too long ago, someone through a noxious gas into a mosque, causing mostly women and children to evacuate. Even to this day, churches are occaisonally burned to the ground, most of those churches are predominantly black. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I don't remember significantly more attacks against synagogues than other places of worship, or anything to inflame a sense of fear in Jewish Americans more than non-Jewish Americans. What do you think?

                            #21.1 - Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:30 AM EDT
                            Scott (Scoop) Butki

                            Oh I agree - it's now Jews who have to fear terrorism.

                            What i remember is more hassling of muslims post-9/11 and lots of clueless people making anti-muslim remarks basedon ignorance.

                            I dealt with hypocritical people saying that stuff (i.e"i'm not anti-muslim but...") over here - think you'd like this one, Mego.

                              #21.2 - Fri Jun 12, 2009 8:16 AM EDT
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